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Easy Livin 
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 Topic: A change of policy?
Posted: May 06 2005 at 15:05 |
Hidden away in one of the numerous threads about the Beatles is the following post by Maani:
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Yes, we've had this discussion before. Here is the quick answer.
According to Max (who is the final arbiter here), in order to qualify for the site, a band need only have one album that is prog. However, that entire album must be prog, as ultimately defined by Max and Rony. |
Up until now, the stated policy had been that the majority of a band's work had to be prog for them to qualify for inclusion, an indicative figure of 80% having been quoted (I think). This change presumably opens the way for many more bands with one off prog albums to be included.
What are the forum members views on this?
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Joren
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 15:09 |
That would open the way for FAR TOO MANY bands, IMHO 
Edited by Joren
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Fishy
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 15:28 |
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80 % is okay. Let's be honest, some reviewers will find some tracks progressive while others will say that it is not. I don't think it's a good idea to become ridgid. I wouldn't include Radiohead though but I don't want to start another endless discussion on that issue. If more than half of the album sounds progressive as we know it, it justifies inclusion on this site cause it's worth checking out, to my humble opnion. There are bands on this website who have some excellent progressive albums but also some albums which have nothing to do with progressive rock. We don't ask the question if these non progressive albums should be included, do we ?
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gdub411
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 15:32 |
That's all fine and dandy, but I would hope that only the lps that are prog would be listed.
P.S...since when does Asia, Styx or even Kansas for that matter, have an album that is completely prog?
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Reed Lover
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 15:40 |
Or Rush,Yes,and Dream Theatre....
I am not too sure that the idea of Max and Rony making Godlike pronouncements as to who is prog and who isnt or which albums,is a healthy one.
Rather like letting the Club Owner pick the football team....
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hdfisch
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 16:22 |
IMHO there are already too many bands on the site who should not be there.To change the policy in that way that one album is regarded as Prog (by whoever) would flood the whole site withbands which are fairly interesting for prog lovers. I think the development of a band into a progressive direction should be critical parameter for inclusion. One album alone can't tell the whole story about a band IMHO although I'm aware that there is a high proportion of bands on the site who did not release more than one (ever or so far). Many of them are worth being there some possibly not.
KEEP ON PROGGING!
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maani
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 19:41 |
Easy Livin:
Actually, you are confusing my own preference for actual "policy." I had thought - and felt it correct - that the policy was "majority of oeuvre." However, Max "enlightened" me about this, and told me that "policy" was "one album." Indeed, you should remember that the collaborators had a fairly long discussion on this issue in which I admitted my error, and many people fought against the "majority" idea since it would be "subjective" at what point a group like Genesis, for example, left "prog" for "commercial."
So the policy - according to Max - is "one album" but that album must be entirely prog, the decision for which rests with Max and Rony.
Peace.
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Fibonacci's Se
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 19:48 |
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guess thats that...
haha
i dont mind...
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cajole the promethean king while his pastiche panjandrum is caught within soleism, genuflect, avoid malversation
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 21:03 |
 Reed Lover wrote:
Or Rush,Yes,and Dream Theatre....
I am not too sure that the idea of Max and Rony making Godlike pronouncements as to who is prog and who isnt or which albums,is a healthy one.
Rather like letting the Club Owner pick the football team....
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Let maani,m@x & Rony let the whole world think that they know everything about prog...let them decide who their fav entry shall be...bollox to all the fans,they know nothing...Right?
that all well & good..but i do & i know a good few entries are not prog at all.
I personally think the men upstairs really ought to get their act together,never mind upgrading a forum..hows about putting the who thing into order.
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maani
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 21:33 |
KE9:
Hmmm...where to begin...
First, I make no decisions about who is included and who is not. Those decisions are made solely and exclusively by Max and Rony. Indeed, i have made it clear in many threads that I disagree with some of the bands included here, and feel that others, whom Max and/or Rony do not believe should be here, should be added.
Second, Max and Rony have every right to decide, in their sole discretion, who should be included and who should not - since they created the site, and maintain it. If you have alternative ideas, by all means start your own site. But don't for a minute think that you will escape the same comment by your members that you have just made about Max and Rony. Because unless you intend to include every band that your members want you to include, and exclude every band that your members want you to exclude, you will be seen by them as "think[ing] that [you] know everything about prog."
Finally, I dare say that, despite your comments, Prog Archives is almost certainly the most cautiously inclusive prog site out there: other sites include many bands that few here would agree are prog, while others do not include entire subgenres represented here.
I hope all of this puts things in perspective...
Peace.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: May 07 2005 at 04:11 |
maani wrote:
Easy Livin:
Actually, you are confusing my own preference for actual "policy." I had thought - and felt it correct - that the policy was "majority of oeuvre." However, Max "enlightened" me about this, and told me that "policy" was "one album." Indeed, you should remember that the collaborators had a fairly long discussion on this issue in which I admitted my error, and many people fought against the "majority" idea since it would be "subjective" at what point a group like Genesis, for example, left "prog" for "commercial."
So the policy - according to Max - is "one album" but that album must be entirely prog, the decision for which rests with Max and Rony.
Peace.
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Thanks for clearing that up Maani. I remember of course the numerous discussions on this topic, but this is the first time I can recall seeing the policy of "one album" being stated publically.
I must have missed that one previously!
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