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gdub411
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Topic: The Troll Thread Posted: May 06 2005 at 16:59 |
tuxon wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
It is a misconception that trolls are necessarily stupid.
If a troll gets a rise from you, then their work is done - they have succeeded.
But there are other forms of troll, which are actually of great use, as they can help liven up a dull debate, or cause forum members to engage braincells that otherwise would be as dead cogs. Often this is non-productive, but that's beside the point...
One high-level form of trolling is the Adequacy Style Troll, or AST.
An AST might be a topic or posting along the lines of; Paedophiles perform a public service by accelerating the rate of maturity of our kids.
Typically, though, one would keep such topics more bland, so that the troll isn't spotted.
It doesn't have to be the topic either - a good troll is a post that twists arguments around using claims that are weak, but suggesting them in such a way that the reader feels that the claim is general knowledge, e.g; "Everyone knows Dream Theater are crap, therefore..."
Logical violence is by far my favourite troll. There are several methods of achieving this;
1. Use material from another website to back up a particular claim you make. This has the two-fold effect of making your claim appear irrefutably proven (when it isn't - unless the website is an absolute authority on the subject matter), and drawing attention away from the main thrust of your argument, which could be pathetically flimsy (the strength of the material you post should be sufficient to imply that you know all about the topic but are simply making an example).
2. Wear down the competition. If you rattle on at suffucient length, you can bury the real argument beneath a pile of rambling and off-topic discourse, until the actual spark of the discussion is all but forgotten. You can then triumphantly close stating that your claim is proven - although the material you used to prove it bears little or no relation to what you said.
3. If you don't know anything about the subject matter of a particular post, get the discussion into an area you do know something about and trundle on for ages about that before moving back to the original topic. The technique is simple and used by most degree students when writing exam essays; Start by appearing to answer the question, but then twist it - e.g, when faced with a question about Hamlet, when you have only revised Macbeth, you could start by saying "When considering the sanity of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, it would be useful to compare him to a soveriegn of another land, for example, Scotland. The madness of Hamlet could then usefully be compared to the madness that overcame Macbeth...". Weak, but might fool someone...
4. Use loads of hyperlinks to reference material. By the time the competition have read a few links, they might get bored and go away. If you use a hyperlink in the middle of a large block of text, such as this, then chances are that the reader won't click on it, but will simply assume that you are right. If the link contains a sufficiently large amount of information and the reader does click on it, they won't read it all anyway, further backing up the assumption that you are right.
5. Pounce on every error the competition makes - no matter how small. This is risky, but can carry the added bonus of making the competition look more stupid than you, as well as prompt them to off-topic ranting and generally getting their back up. The risk is that it's very easy to spot when someone is trying to get your back up by pouncing on something insignificant. The majority of people don't notice though - because you've got their back up...
6. Always remain calm. Getting emotionally involved is for the competition - that's part of the point. When emotions are stirred, people make mistakes - that you can then pounce on to continue your troll. Trolls that get upset and start name-tossing are pathetic creatures, and generally get banned.
7. Make authoritative comments that are only tenuously linked to the original subject material - e.g. in a post called "The Troll Thread", you might decide to educate everyone on what trolls really are, and waffle on at great length - giving the appearance that you really know what you are talking about when in fact you have stolen the idea from another website and are simply blathering about a bit to gain creedence and make yourself look knowledgeable - despite the fact that your sentences get cyclic and self-referential and have nothing whatsoever to do with whatever it was you started out saying.
8. Make several points, each of which say more or less the same thing...
I guess the cat's out of the bag... 
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I always knew you were a troll, I fine one aswell. The way you mallevolently bash Dream Theater, by continiously saying they rip off Metallica's riffs, without actually proving it.
Also the reverse-trolling, you do concerning Marillion, stating their not derivative off Genesis, which of course is said tongue in cheek, with a fair portion of sarcasme hidden behind those seamingly innocent lies.
Yes, I think your the best troll on this forum |
 
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tuxon
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 16:34 |
Certif1ed wrote:
It is a misconception that trolls are necessarily stupid.
If a troll gets a rise from you, then their work is done - they have succeeded.
But there are other forms of troll, which are actually of great use,
as they can help liven up a dull debate, or cause forum members to
engage braincells that otherwise would be as dead cogs. Often this is
non-productive, but that's beside the point...
One high-level form of trolling is the Adequacy Style Troll, or AST.
An AST might be a topic or posting along the lines of; Paedophiles
perform a public service by accelerating the rate of maturity of our
kids.
Typically, though, one would keep such topics more bland, so that the troll isn't spotted.
It doesn't have to be the topic either - a good troll is a post that
twists arguments around using claims that are weak, but suggesting them
in such a way that the reader feels that the claim is general
knowledge, e.g; "Everyone knows Dream Theater are crap, therefore..."
Logical violence is by far my favourite troll. There are several methods of achieving this;
1. Use material from another website to back up a particular claim
you make. This has the two-fold effect of making your claim appear
irrefutably proven (when it isn't - unless the website is an absolute
authority on the subject matter), and drawing attention away from the
main thrust of your argument, which could be pathetically flimsy (the
strength of the material you post should be sufficient to imply that
you know all about the topic but are simply making an example).
2. Wear down the competition. If you rattle on at suffucient
length, you can bury the real argument beneath a pile of rambling and
off-topic discourse, until the actual spark of the discussion is all
but forgotten. You can then triumphantly close stating that your claim
is proven - although the material you used to prove it bears little or
no relation to what you said.
3. If you don't know anything about the subject matter of a
particular post, get the discussion into an area you do know something
about and trundle on for ages about that before moving back to the
original topic. The technique is simple and used by most degree
students when writing exam essays; Start by appearing to answer the
question, but then twist it - e.g, when faced with a question about
Hamlet, when you have only revised Macbeth, you could start by saying
"When considering the sanity of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, it
would be useful to compare him to a soveriegn of another land, for
example, Scotland. The madness of Hamlet could then
usefully be compared to the madness that overcame Macbeth...".
Weak, but might fool someone...
4. Use loads of hyperlinks to reference material. By the time the
competition have read a few links, they might get bored and go away. If
you use a hyperlink in the middle of a large block of text, such as this,
then chances are that the reader won't click on it, but will simply
assume that you are right. If the link contains a sufficiently large
amount of information and the reader does click on it, they won't read
it all anyway, further backing up the assumption that you are right.
5. Pounce on every error the competition makes - no matter how
small. This is risky, but can carry the added bonus of making the
competition look more stupid than you, as well as prompt them to
off-topic ranting and generally getting their back up. The risk is that
it's very easy to spot when someone is trying to get your back up by
pouncing on something insignificant. The majority of people don't
notice though - because you've got their back up...
6. Always remain calm. Getting emotionally involved is for the
competition - that's part of the point. When emotions are stirred,
people make mistakes - that you can then pounce on to continue your
troll. Trolls that get upset and start name-tossing are pathetic
creatures, and generally get banned.
7. Make authoritative comments that are only tenuously linked to the
original subject material - e.g. in a post called "The Troll
Thread", you might decide to educate everyone on what trolls really
are, and waffle on at great length - giving the appearance that you
really know what you are talking about when in fact you have stolen the
idea from another website and are simply blathering about a bit to gain
creedence and make yourself look knowledgeable - despite the fact that
your sentences get cyclic and self-referential and have nothing
whatsoever to do with whatever it was you started out saying.
8. Make several points, each of which say more or less the same thing...
I guess the cat's out of the bag...  |
I always knew you were a troll, I fine one aswell.
The way you mallevolently bash Dream Theater, by continiously saying
they rip off Metallica's riffs, without actually proving it.
Also the reverse-trolling, you do concerning Marillion, stating their
not derivative off Genesis, which of course is said tongue in cheek,
with a fair portion of sarcasme hidden behind those seamingly innocent
lies.
Yes, I think your the best troll on this forum
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I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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Reed Lover
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 15:52 |
James Lee wrote:
Guzzman wrote:
James Lee wrote:
your all pretentious fascists who wouldnt know good music if it crawled up your leg and bit your sac
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Even if you are trying to be sarcastic (are you?) you should be careful with the use of the term fascist |
a little defensive? 
now I'd never say that ALL Germans don't have a sense of humor, but thanks for perpetuating a stereotype...
Progarchives should only contain Dream Theater. Everything else sucks.
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And Gdub sucks more than anyone!
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James Lee
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 15:42 |
Guzzman wrote:
James Lee wrote:
your all pretentious fascists who wouldnt know good music if it crawled up your leg and bit your sac
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Even if you are trying to be sarcastic (are you?) you should be careful with the use of the term fascist |
a little defensive? 
now I'd never say that ALL Germans don't have a sense of humor, but thanks for perpetuating a stereotype...
Progarchives should only contain Dream Theater. Everything else sucks.
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Peter
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 15:29 |
I've never posted before, and never will again, but I had to join just to publicly tell you that you had a minor error in your review, you worthless, know-nothing piece of crap amateur!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 14:57 |
Usual bollocks from Certif1ed on the previous page I see.

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Syzygy
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 14:33 |
You mancs r al bum boyz yur alwez bummin ech other up tha bum n stuff
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Reed Lover
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 14:29 |
I hate Scousers!

MILANO! MILANO!
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Syzygy
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 14:27 |
I typed the word sh*tE into Google Image Search and look what plopped out

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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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PROGMAN
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 09:35 |
Control Yourself
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CYMRU AM BYTH
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PROGMAN
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 09:32 |
dude wrote:
I'll GET THE MOP AND BUCKET!! 
NOTHING WORSE THAN BLEEPED sh*tE.....
AND ALL OVER THE WALLS TO!!!!!!
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Dont worry guys I sent in the Experts to Help!!

The Cleaners they know what to do!! 
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CYMRU AM BYTH
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dude
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:41 |
YOU KNOW HOW IT IS!!!
ONCE UPON A TIME WE TROLLS HAD WHOLE FORESTS TO CRAP IN!! NOT TO MENTION REMOTE BRIDGES WE COULD HIDE UNDER AND SCARE AND EAT UNWARY TRAVELLERS...
BUT SADLY THOSE DAYS ARE GONE ,THE FORESTS HAVE BEEN CHOPPED DOWN AND TRAVELLERS NOW HAVE GUNS.
SO WHATS A TROLL TO DO?
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Blacksword
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:34 |
Typical troll! NOT toilet trained...
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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dude
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:31 |
I'll GET THE MOP AND BUCKET!! 
NOTHING WORSE THAN BLEEPED sh*tE.....
AND ALL OVER THE WALLS TO!!!!!!
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Blacksword
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:27 |
dude wrote:
WOW, IT BLEEPED MY sh*tE!!!!!
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Painful and potentially messy, I would have thought.... 
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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dude
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:25 |
WOW, IT BLEEPED MY sh*tE!!!!!
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dude
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:24 |
EVERYTHING IS sh*tE!!!!!!!!    
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Blacksword
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:16 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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dude
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:15 |
^ OH YEAH,...OH YEAH!!!
ELP SUCK, I MEAN REALLY, REALLY SUCK!!!!
whatya gonna do about it???????  
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Blacksword
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Posted: May 06 2005 at 08:10 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
why not motorhead on this pathetic site.? al you lisen to is poofs musik with kboards + stuff! wear is slipknot - they are as proggresiv as gentle floyd or watever whydoes noone like me? |
You're a typical fuc*ing headbanger, why dont you take your motorhead records and shove em up your hole. Whinging tw*t!
Grrrrrrrrr 
Slipknot? prog? the noises that come out of my hairy arse are more progressive than any of the sh!t any of you bellends listern too...
Troll marks out of 10??? 
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theonly one of you with eny muscal taste is hopelever - he sed you Blcksord R A winker but i stil dont know wy you not lik me
radohed prog? haha they R hevy metal, you know nuffin |
Yeah, like, whatever a-hole 
ELP are the best thing since sliced breasts. F*ck with me and you f*ck with my lady..literally. Got it!

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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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