Is ELP against christianity

ELP - The Knife Edge

When the flames have their season

Will you hold to your reason

Loaded down with your tolerance(LSD)

Can you still keep your balance

Can you live on the a knifes edge.

Common psycho logic concerning as Jim Morrison said

Waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting

waiting for you to sing our song

waiting for you to come along!

Waiting for the sun!

do we detect a deal in the making?

Its the seed of psychedelic rock, nothing new to a child of the 70's!

Your turn to learn!

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King of Loss wrote: Hah, You want Anti-Christian? (quote deleted)

Oh, those nutty death metal bands and their antics!

 

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I have no beef with Christianity, or Religion, in general, as long as they don't try to ram their beliefs down my throat. I also have no tolerance for thoss who discriminate against others, branding them "sinners in the eyes of God".

The problem is it's difficult to criticize certain types of Christians, withought being accused, by some, of generalizing.

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Arteum wrote: AtomHeartMother wrote: Arteum wrote: And, by the way, maani, any statement or conclusion you make is a sheer blasphemy. because only God is allowed to judge. he wants to have all the game to himself. People should not even open their mouths or indeed have a single though that in any way defines, summarizes, concludes etc. Ya, I'm sure you would know considering the fact that you are aethiest and don't believe in this stuff, it's like asking a blind man what the sky looks like right now. That's a blasphemy! Only God has the right to judge! you are sure? Only God may be sure! Or, you mean, I am wrong and not only God can judge? You can judge too? Then tell me where Bill Gates will go when he dies -- to Heaven or Hell?

You being some kind of Smart a$* doesn't help you in this useless arguement. I'm not judging, I'm just saying you don't know what you think you know and you are dragging this out way to much.

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Arteum wrote: AtomHeartMother wrote: Arteum wrote: maani wrote: Arteum: There is a very simple reason why God did not create humankind to automatically believe in and love Him: it's called "free will."  God gave us all free will.  And the ultimate "application" of that free will is the free will to believe or disbelieve in God Himself.  As others point out, if you are "forced" to love someone or something, what kind of love is that?  God wants us to love Him because we want to love Him - not because He makes us do so, or demands it.  God does not want "automatons" who love Him because He made them do so. Do you love your girlfriend (or boyfriend, or mother, or father, or whoever) because they expect you to or demand it of you?  Of course not.  Your love is freely given.  God's love is freely given, and he is looking for our love freely given. It can't be any simpler than that. Peace. Why is he looking for love freely given? Is he that queer? [I am serious] What's the point? And why then can't he create people so that they automatically give him their free love? He's all-mighty. Don't tell me he can't do it. It would solve all God's problems in an instant. Or he's just not that clever, is he? Or is he looking for problems? For himself and his puppets people? Strange chap that God is. I thought he was about solving problems, not creating them. His only problem is the Devil, not us. He wants love in order for the world to be perfect, and peacfull. Giving love is "queer" to you no doubt because society has said so, since it's not "cool" for their to be love these days it must automattically be "queer" huh? Sounds like somehting off of MTV to me. So why does not God destroy Devil then? It should be easy for him. He can do anything. This would solve everyone's problems, including God himself.

I may be wrong but from what I'm told there will one day be someone who leads all humans to be blasphemous and that will cause the final war between God and the Devil. I don't know why he can't just "kill" him, I don't think that one is answered in the bible, it may be but I dont know. It's not like this is some kind of Arnold Swartseneggar movie where the two forces just fight it out just like that. This is supposed to be part of a grand plan of God.

Arteum wrote: And, by the way, maani, any statement or conclusion you make is a sheer blasphemy. because only God is allowed to judge. he wants to have all the game to himself. People should not even open their mouths or indeed have a single though that in any way defines, summarizes, concludes etc.

Ya, I'm sure you would know considering the fact that you are aethiest and don't believe in this stuff, it's like asking a blind man what the sky looks like right now.

And, by the way, maani, any statement or conclusion you make is a sheer blasphemy. because only God is allowed to judge. he wants to have all the game to himself. People should not even open their mouths or indeed have a single though that in any way defines, summarizes, concludes etc.

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Good to know I was right about freely believing in God or not, you must love him through love, not force or fear.

Sorcery, witchcraft, divination and the use of hallucenagenics are common practices in occultic ritual. Most of your classic psyche/prog is delivered to the artist via this vehicle. They aren't singing about baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and chevrolet.

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maani wrote: Arteum: As for not being afraid to die, I find it interesting that you would say that this is a result of having "poisoned your mind so that it is no longer afraid."  Do you equate calm and inner peace - even to the point of lack of fear of dying - to be a result of "poisoning?"  That is, wouldn't most people like to get over the "fear" of dying?  Indeed, over all fears?  Let me ask you: if someone were to be able to get over a particular fear through counseling and analysis, would you call that "poisoning" one's mind?  If not, what would you say is the difference?  If one is able to conquer one's fears, isn't that a good thing?  No matter how they accomplish, as long as it is a "true" conquering and not a form of suppression, repression or denial? Peace.

But this is silly! You deceive yourself! You abstract yourself from reality just because you want to "get over your fears". The result you get is: you no longer fear anything, but you live in fantasy world.

Say, I want to be Bill Gates's best friend, for example. Then I just invent a religion which says: "If you're always as good as to use Windows (except on Sunday), always use Internet Explorer, always read Billie's books, pay the fees to be in Bill-Gates-prospective-friends club, then Bill Gates will come one day and give you a new Mercedes and a mansion in London for your birthday".

And if I really believe in this so hard that my mind "switches" ... I will indeed have no more anxiety to be Billy's best friend. I have no more anxieties. I am all piece and love. Why care, I am following all the rules, so when he dies he'll surely leave all his billions for me?! Can it be otherwise?

Such a religion is as good as Christianity. Has as much to do with reality as your God with this world.

By the way it is indeed a pity you've never advanced enough in your physics studies as to  make at least the slightest contribution to it. I've known quite a lot of such people. They claim to understand science, but in fact they might have read a popular scientific book or two, finished a couple of freshman's semesters and maybe even shook a famous physicist's hand ... When I ask them -- show me at least one of your papers, even in a crappy journal, so that we have a documented record of your understanding of sceince, ... there appears to  be none, or the journal turns out to be too crappy.



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