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Jaja Brasil 
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 Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:07 |
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Hi Guys...
I am a Beatle Fan. To me they are the best ever group !!!
They influenced a lot of Groups and musicians.
Sometimes I talk about them here, but I don't think the're progressive, and this is a Prog Forum, isn't it ???
Best greetings...
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Gloryscene
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:24 |
My view is the Beatles were heavily influential to many bands and still are today and i guess any innovative, forward thinking music is progressive in it's own way. BUT i just can't get my head around grouping them within the same vein as Yes, Genesis, ELP, Camel, Rush etc.
But then there are so many different types of bands recognised on this site where do you start to draw the line and should one been drawn in the first place??!?
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con safo
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:43 |
They definitely deserve their place in the archives. They were one of the original 'pioneers' of prog, and although they may not be playing mellotrons or moogs, they have alot of aspects of the genre in their music. Without them i dont think prog could have gotten as big as its been, or even exist !
Their early albums are quite boring, but anything after Rubber Soul is nirvana.
YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Friamannen
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 12:59 |
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Agree totally with you. Especially the part about people only synonymizing "progressive rock" with "symphonic rock".
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Joren
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 13:14 |
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philippe
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 13:38 |
Are you crazy?? IF THE BEATLES ARE PROG, I'M THE QUEEN OF KEKELAND!! 
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Peter
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 13:47 |
Can o' worms....
No, unless/until the Archives formally expands its focus to include such "influenced prog, prog-like, liked by prog fans and/or small "p" progressive," etc artists.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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walrus
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 13:59 |
Please welcome.. the Queen of Kekeland......
In my point of view, the Beatles still today, are the one of the most progressives groups in world music. even more than almost all the bands in the archives...But they didnt made prog music.
If the Beatles deserve been in the archives is a personal subject..
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you and whose army?
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yarstruly
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:37 |
con safo wrote:
They definitely deserve their place in the archives. They were one of the original 'pioneers' of prog, and although they may not be playing mellotrons or moogs, they have alot of aspects of the genre in their music. Without them i dont think prog could have gotten as big as its been, or even exist !
Their early albums are quite boring, but anything after Rubber Soul is nirvana.
YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually they did use mellotrons (Strawberry Fields Forever) & Moogs (Various Abbey Road Tunes)...they were among the 1st to use either...
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:46 |
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...and among the first to mix indian, classical and experimental influences with rock.
That makes a lot!
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marktheshark
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:59 |
yarstruly wrote:
con safo wrote:
They definitely deserve their place in the archives. They were one of the original 'pioneers' of prog, and although they may not be playing mellotrons or moogs, they have alot of aspects of the genre in their music. Without them i dont think prog could have gotten as big as its been, or even exist !
Their early albums are quite boring, but anything after Rubber Soul is nirvana.
YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Actually they did use mellotrons (Strawberry Fields Forever) & Moogs (Various Abbey Road Tunes)...they were among the 1st to use either... |
First group to use a moog synthesizer? Grab your socks! It's Hey, Hey Were The Monkees! 1967 on their Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones Ltd album. How's that?
Edited by marktheshark
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yarstruly
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 15:05 |
I said among the first 
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Easy Livin
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 15:18 |
A definite no as far as I am concerned. I have the greatest respect for their mausic and their achievements. I love their album sand singles a lot. There is no doubt they were a major influence on many prog and non-prog bands alike. They were never a prog band though.
The Beatles are already very well catered for on the web, there is no need or benefit in adding them here, it would simply distort the site.
The Beatles were undoubtedly a major band, they were not though a major prog band. AsPeter says, it's a can of worms.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 17:34 |
They were 100% progressive, before the word was even invented.
They were a hard rocking band since their Hamburg days
Ergo: they were progrock.
And don't you dare disagree with me ... 
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The Prognaut
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 17:35 |
I wanted to vote "NO", but the "Piss off Karney" option was more than tempting!
BTW, The Beatles just don't belong to the archives, sorry.
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break the circle
reset my head
wake the sleepwalker
and i'll wake the dead
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Yanns
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 17:42 |
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Yeah, they should be here. True, only Revolver on was "prog" (or at least the beginnings of it.) But every album should be included as well. But they should not be panned by prog lovers.
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Yams
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 17:46 |
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No. Stop stretching the meaning of Progressive Rock.
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Anthemof2112
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 20:31 |
As much as I love the Beatles, I just don;t think they had enough elements to be considered "prog." Is being strange like in "Blue Jay Way" enough to be considered prog? I respectivley have to say no.
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Keep on Rocking in the free world.
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maani
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 21:15 |
All:
Yes, we've had this discussion before. Here is the quick answer.
According to Max (who is the final arbiter here), in order to qualify for the site, a band need only have one album that is prog. However, that entire album must be prog, as ultimately defined by Max and Rony.
In this regard, even Sgt. Pepper would not qualify, since although some (maybe even most) of it is prog - or at very least "proto-prog" - some of it is not. Personally, I do not consider most of it prog, or necessarily even proto-prog (which does not detract whatsoever from its greatness or influence).
From my own personal perspective, although The Beatles were certainly experimental, and brought quite a few new ideas and sounds to rock, even their most "prog" stuff is ultimately "proto-prog" - though unquestionably highly influential. We can agree to disagree here, but I would include the following songs as at very least "proto-prog" - and my list goes back even further than anything mentioned thus far (note that I am using the American album chronology here):
Rubber Soul
Think For Yourself
Yesterday & Today
I'm Only Sleeping
And Your Bird Can Sing
Revolver
Love You To
She Said She Said
Tomorrow Never Knows
Sgt. Pepper
Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite
Within You Without You
A Day in the Life
Magical Mystery Tour
Flying
Blue Jay Way
I Am the Walrus
Strawberry Fields Forever
The Beatles
Wild Honey Pie
Happiness Is a Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Yer Blues
Everybody's Got Something To Hide
Helter Skelter
Revolution 9
Yellow Submarine
Only a Northern Song
Abbey Road
Come Together
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
Because
You Never Give Me Your Money through The End (not individually, but as a concept)
The Beatles were unquestionably, unarguably the most influential group of all time (and, with the exception of Frank Zappa, the most experimental until prog began in earnest). However, they are not "prog" themselves. Indeed, they probably belong in a pantheon unto themselves. Let's not burden them with having "founded" any particular genre.
Peace.
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marktheshark
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Posted: May 03 2005 at 21:38 |
maani wrote:
All:
Yes, we've had this discussion before. Here is the quick answer.
According to Max (who is the final arbiter here), in order to qualify for the site, a band need only have one album that is prog. However, that entire album must be prog, as ultimately defined by Max and Rony.
In this regard, even Sgt. Pepper would not qualify, since although some (maybe even most) of it is prog - or at very least "proto-prog" - some of it is not. Personally, I do not consider most of it prog, or necessarily even proto-prog (which does not detract whatsoever from its greatness or influence).
From my own personal perspective, although The Beatles were certainly experimental, and brought quite a few new ideas and sounds to rock, even their most "prog" stuff is ultimately "proto-prog" - though unquestionably highly influential. We can agree to disagree here, but I would include the following songs as at very least "proto-prog" - and my list goes back even further than anything mentioned thus far (note that I am using the American album chronology here):
Rubber SoulThink For Yourself
Yesterday & TodayI'm Only SleepingAnd Your Bird Can Sing
RevolverLove You ToShe Said She SaidTomorrow Never Knows
Sgt. PepperBeing For the Benefit of Mr. KiteWithin You Without YouA Day in the Life
Magical Mystery TourFlyingBlue Jay WayI Am the WalrusStrawberry Fields Forever
The BeatlesWild Honey PieHappiness Is a Warm GunI'm So TiredYer BluesEverybody's Got Something To HideHelter SkelterRevolution 9
Yellow SubmarineOnly a Northern Song
Abbey RoadCome TogetherI Want You (She's So Heavy)BecauseYou Never Give Me Your Money through The End (not individually, but as a concept)
The Beatles were unquestionably, unarguably the most influential group of all time (and, with the exception of Frank Zappa, the most experimental until prog began in earnest). However, they are not "prog" themselves. Indeed, they probably belong in a pantheon unto themselves. Let's not burden them with having "founded" any particular genre.
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I would probably put Rain on that list too. Mainly for the edgy guitar chord progressions and Paul and Ringo's stop and go unison at the end.
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