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maani 
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Posted: May 01 2005 at 20:03 |
I was just listening to this early McCartney solo work and wondered whether anyone who is familiar with it would consider it "prog," even slightly so. It certainly has many of the elements. And although it may ultimately be "pop," so is much of Supertramp and other groups on the site.
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Posted: May 01 2005 at 20:27 |
 maani wrote:
I was just listening to this early McCartney solo work and wondered whether anyone who is familiar with it would consider it "prog," even slightly so. It certainly has many of the elements. And although it may ultimately be "pop," so is much of Supertramp and other groups on the site.
What say ye?
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I had a few slanging matches trying to convince people the late Beatles had prog elements so i can't see this McCartney track cutting it!
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Posted: May 01 2005 at 20:41 |
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I wouldn't call it prog, however I feel PM's best non-Beatles work was from that period from "Mccartney" to "Venus and Mars" where some of it was or appeared innovotive. He was still competing/trying to impress Lennon during that period.
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Posted: May 01 2005 at 20:55 |
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Its sort of proggish, as the Monkees' "Shorty Blackwell" was proggish...
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Posted: May 01 2005 at 22:13 |
I think it is prog-pop...all sort of time changes and such...great tune. 
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Posted: May 01 2005 at 23:15 |
I think it is prog/psychedelia. It's a great song and I love the lyrics. I partially agree with The-Bullet it was among PM's best non-Beatle work. If I could nominate one song from PM to be in the archives, it would be this one - cheers 
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Posted: May 01 2005 at 23:18 |
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It could be regarded as prog, it's a great song though (along with the rest of his Ram album).
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 01:16 |
But what does it mean? 
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 02:15 |
James Lee wrote:
But what does it mean? |
Good question! JL - I did a bit of scouting around on the net and came across this interesting review. It doesn't answer your question (I don't think it does). But none the less it is an interesting observation
http://www.gloriousnoise.com/arch/000895.php
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 07:59 |
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This has echoes of the is Brian Wilson prog debate. I don't think it is prog, but I do think it's fair to say that there's such a thing as prog pop, which probably started with Good Vibrations. Mccartney's early solo career is a good example, although I don't think he's done anything really adventurous since Venus and Mars, as The Bullet said.
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 08:09 |
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I guess you could call it prog-pop or something. But anyway, great song and IMO "Ram" is McCartney's best solo album!
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 13:16 |
Who is this "McCartney" guy, anyway? 
Seriously, great song -- well-crafted, small "p" progressive, I suppose.
That song promised great things for a solo McCartney career, but sadly, he would not maintain that lofty standard for long.
At least 90% of his solo output is pure sugar-sweet pop crapola, IMO! 
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 14:45 |
The track in question was from McCartney's "Ram" album, which was certainly his most progressive. Tracks like "Back seat of my car" and "Long haired lady" were excellent pieces of what might be termed pop-prog.
If we get the section for Prog albums by non prog artists going, "Ram" should be one of the inclusions, superb album.
(Don' t think you're regular wee dig at Supertramp went unnoticed either Maani! )
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Posted: May 02 2005 at 14:47 |
Easy Livin wrote:
The track in question was from McCartney's "Ram" album, which was certainly his most progressive. !
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I agree that Ram is an excellent album, but McCartney's most progressive? I would say "Band on the Run" is more progressive in terms of concept and diversity of music.
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