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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 12:27
Originally posted by Anonymous2112 Anonymous2112 wrote:

I say that they should be put under the genre of...

Totally f**king awesome.

I'm a big fan...



Happy to see fellow Rush fans expressing their opinions!

I agree that they are unique and where to actually put them is a matter of opinion.  Art rock is fine I guess.  I don't really consider them prog-metal though.  Maybe, as others have suggested, a kind of classic prog or something.  Regardless, they are awesome. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 12:39

Well, RUsh started off as a Hard Rock band, then later involved into a Progressive Hard Rock, then in 80s, the synth, Prog, dance, pop, rock, metal, whatever you want to call it.

Like most people said, Rush is in a breed of their own.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 12:42
Originally posted by video vertigo video vertigo wrote:

Rush is now in the art rock genre, when I first came onto this site I browsed by genre to find rush and could not find them, I was surprised when I browsed by artist name to find them in the Art rock category.  While Rushi is artsy rock I would not expect to find them in the ranks with Styx and Supertramp and now Queen.  Rush is a completely different breed,

Is art rock the best choice for describing Rush?

I would probably choose progressive metal. Certainly Rush started as prog metal and is now prog metal.  Some artsy stuff between but mainly Rush is heavier and more likely to be found along with prog metal bands than art rock bands to me. 

Thoughts?

The thought would cross my mind to put them under symphonic prog, but I doubt anyone would go for that. Prog metal is a good one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 12:42
Maybe we can just call them in a new genre. We can call the genre "Rush Rock".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 12:47

Originally posted by toothpick2112 toothpick2112 wrote:

Maybe we can just call them in a new genre. We can call the genre "Rush Rock".

Yep

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 12:50
That would make sense. On Windows Media Player Tag Editor, where you choose the genre, they have one called 'Primus' because they are unclassifiable. Just like Rush. Which is an odd coincidence as Geddy Lee is Les Claypool's Idol.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 13:09
Originally posted by Anonymous2112 Anonymous2112 wrote:

I say that they should be put under the genre of...

Totally f**king awesome.

I'm a big fan...

 Well put!! That's Rush's genre now.

 

The genres of progressive rock music

A planet where quite much progressive rock music played in earth. Can, Caravan, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Jethro Tull , King Crimson , Genesis, Magma, PFM, Pink Floyd, Rush, Marillion, Yes, the much-discussed newscomers Arena, IQ, Pendragon, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree and many other bands come from there. One of the most defining characteristics of prog is the classification of bands and artists. There are various sub-genres of progressive rock (or "prog", as it is sometimes abbreviated). People can (and will) argue for hours about whether this or that band belongs in this or that sub-genre. This list below is just a simple outline of the characteristics of each sub-genre, and by NO means a strict guideline. Remember, this is not a definitive list.

SUB-GENRES


 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 13:54
Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

IMHO, there should have been another sub-genre, "Heavy Prog", "Hard Prog", or "Progressive Hard Rock", and include bands like Rush, Kansas, Uriah Heep, Deep Purple (please don't make it another discussion subject!!!), and to an extent, Styx (just for the sake of their first five albums). I saw this subgenre at least in one other progrock site (and it probably included twice as much genres as progarchives!), and I believe it exists. Even particular works of some hard rock bands (Sabbath's Bloody Sabbath, Led Zeppelin's 4th, Alice Cooper's Welcome to My Nightmare albums etc.) might be considered under this sub-genre, and it's a totally different story whethter or not these individual albums should be included or not.

Summary: The solution is adding the "Heavy Prog" (or whatever) subgenre, and moving Rush and their likes over there...

I agree! I like the "Progressive Hard Rock" label as it sounds and for what it hinhts at - it would be quite suitable for Rush and Kansas, just to name a couple of examples, although the reviewers for these two bands' albums should cpecify in which moments they get more art-rock oriented (e.g., Rush's 'Big Money', 'Red Sector A', Kansas' 'A Glimpse of Home'), more heavy rock-oriented (e.g., Rush's 'Anthem', Kansas' 'Lighning's Hand') or more overtly symphonic prog (e.g., Kansas' 'Song for America', 'Nobody's Home', 'Closet Chronicles', Rush's 'Xanadu').

But yes, I think the aforemantioned label would state things a bit clearer. Of course, there's no such thing as he perfect label, but we can reasonably create some who can be more clarifying than confusing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 14:15
Badges!! We don't need no stinking badges.

Keep your labels and genres to yourselves. Rush are just a fantastic band. Stop trying to divide everything up into little boxes. Art rock, math rock blah blah blah.

Call it what you want, it's all music to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 15:22

Originally posted by plodder plodder wrote:

Badges!! We don't need no stinking badges.

Keep your labels and genres to yourselves. Rush are just a fantastic band. Stop trying to divide everything up into little boxes. Art rock, math rock blah blah blah.

So, Paco de Lucía is just a guitarist, not a Flamenco guitarist, right? If we drop labels and badges, how are we supposed to assimilate and enjoy, with the ehart and mind, the music provided by musicians? De Lucía's music shouts out its Flamenco label, doesn't it? Perceiving him as merely an un-badged guitarist would mean missing the point absolutely. Watkins plays piano and so did Tchaikovsky - shall we call them merely pianists, without regarding the former as a prog-fusion-new age musician and the latter as an academic chamber composer? Madonna and Peter Hammill write the lyrics to their own songs - shall we put them together in one single "catalogue" as songwriters so we avoid badges we allegedly don't need?

Agitation Free and Premiata Forneria Marconi both do music - should we stay beyond the distinction between krautrock and symphonic prog? Oh, and shuold we change the name of this website, too? - its name bears a badge, too.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 15:26
Sorry. It's a pet peeve of mine.

Carry on with your disection of everything. I'll just listen to the music instead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 15:44

Originally posted by Single Coil Single Coil wrote:

If they didn't invent prog-metal... who did?

Queen did with their debut and more so with Queen II. 

Then Metallica re-invented it 6 years before "Images and Words", which is just an extension of what Metallica did. And that's being kind.

Categories, schmategories - it's all prog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 18:58
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Queen did with their debut and more so with Queen II. 

So,that's Queen's genre-problem solved then! Queen are a prog-metal band if they've ever been prog.................

With their 3rd album they invented Prog-Lite and more so with their 4th.

Their 5th album invented Progressive p*p and their 6th album launched Progressive Decline!

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 19:10

A bit off topic, but still about Rush. One day in one of my classes this year, I was listening to Different Stages, and the guy next to me wanted to listen to my CD player. I reluctantly gave him my cd player, and the first song he listened to was Nobody's Hero. When the song was over, he turned to me and said, "Are these guys a gay band?"

It made me so angry!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2005 at 11:59
Originally posted by Cesar Inca Cesar Inca wrote:

Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

IMHO, there should have been another sub-genre, "Heavy Prog", "Hard Prog", or "Progressive Hard Rock"...

I agree! I like the "Progressive Hard Rock" label as it sounds and for what it hinhts at - it would be quite suitable for Rush and Kansas, just to name a couple of examples, although the reviewers for these two bands' albums should cpecify in which moments they get more art-rock oriented (e.g., Rush's 'Big Money', 'Red Sector A', Kansas' 'A Glimpse of Home'), more heavy rock-oriented (e.g., Rush's 'Anthem', Kansas' 'Lighning's Hand') or more overtly symphonic prog (e.g., Kansas' 'Song for America', 'Nobody's Home', 'Closet Chronicles', Rush's 'Xanadu').

But yes, I think the aforemantioned label would state things a bit clearer. Of course, there's no such thing as he perfect label, but we can reasonably create some who can be more clarifying than confusing.

Regards.


Thanks for your appreciation first.

Second, we don't need to "create" a sub-genre, IMHO... Some forum member (Ivan, I suppose) objected this idea of mine saying "we don't create sub-genres, it is there or no" or whatever... I believe prog-hard rock is there since, at least, 1971 (DP's Fireball album), and at least one prog rock site lists it (I didn't check any other names than DP, and forgot the site, but surely Rush and Kansas is there)

No need to subsegment a group into smaller parts, I believe one comprising sub-genre is enough!

Regards...

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