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Carl floyd fan 
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 06:53 |
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I would give it 4 stars but I am interested in what others think. This seems to be deep purple's one compeletly prog album which makes people think DP should be added. But what is your opinion?
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The Hemulen
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 07:56 |
It's okay... but I prefer Jon Lord's solo work The Gemeni Suite which was a fascinating suite of concertos for rock soloists: Guitar, bass, drums, piano, organ and vocals. It's only the vocal piece that lets it down which sounds like the song for a Bond movie.
As for the Deep Purple attempt, it just seemed lacking direction at times. The group and the orchestra seemed more opposed than integrated, unlike, say, Wakeman's JTTCOTE or side 1 of Atom Heart Mother.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 08:36 |
[QUOTE=Carl floyd fan] This seems to be Deep Purple's one completely prog album which makes people think DP should be added. [QUOTE]
That doesn't appear to be valid criteria for inclusion, if so Wishbone Ash and Spooky Tooth (to name but two, would be ahead of DP). As a reminder DP were catergorised as progressive msuic at the end of the 60s/very early 70's, but then the heavy rock category came along, so it was convenient and obvious where to place DP.
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jiggajake
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 13:46 |
i really like this album, its nothing amazing but its interesting and somewhat original.
3.5 isnt an option so ill give it a four
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Velvetclown
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 13:53 |
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With or without Steve Morse ??????????????
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 13:55 |
It's not really prog, it's a rock band with an orchestra. DP were pre-empted by the Moodies - and I loathe the sound of an orchestra combined with a rock band who think they can write for an orchestra - they can't.
It takes many years to learn how to write orchestral music - you need to understand each instrument. Only Andrew Lloyd Webber has come close to getting the combination of rock/orchestral music right.
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 14:15 |
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I think there are far more successful collaborations between group and orchestra. DP's "Concerto.." comes across as more of a confrontation between them. It does indeed have its moments, but I don't find is particularly stimulating.
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 14:16 |
 Certif1ed wrote:
It takes many years to learn how to write orchestral music - you need to understand each instrument. Only Andrew Lloyd Webber has come close to getting the combination of rock/orchestral music right.
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Cert is after control of my chrome-plated piss bucket!
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 14:17 |
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gdub411
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 14:21 |
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I've never heard it but I'll just go out on a limb and say it probably sucks!
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 17:34 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
It takes many years to learn how to write orchestral music - you need to understand each instrument. Only Andrew Lloyd Webber has come close to getting the combination of rock/orchestral music right.
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Cert is after control of my chrome-plated piss bucket!
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You have heard EVERYTHING Sir ALW has written????
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jiggajake
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 17:40 |
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i think pink floyd prettymuch hit the orchestra thing on the head, though i dont know the facts (whether or not it was floyd that wrote the orchestra music or if they were just playing together) but its simply an amazing song...atom heart mother
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 19:12 |
jiggajake wrote:
i really like this album, its nothing amazing but its interesting and somewhat original.
3.5 isnt an option so ill give it a four |
Nice got in first with 5 Bridges.
I have a pet theory that Emerson and Lord
(and others) were secretly taking tuition in keyboard and
composition at the higher grade music examinations , when they weren't
on the road or in the studio. Their end of year compositions for
orchestra were recycled for an album (or two or three). They didn't
want to get shown up by the likes of college boy Rick
Wakeman..................................  But did they get their grades in orchestral arrangment?
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 19:14 |
gdub411 wrote:
I've never heard it but I'll just go out on a limb and say it probably sucks! |
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Reed Lover
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Posted: November 05 2004 at 19:17 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
It takes many years to learn how to write orchestral music - you need to understand each instrument. Only Andrew Lloyd Webber has come close to getting the combination of rock/orchestral music right.
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Cert is after control of my chrome-plated piss bucket!
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You have heard EVERYTHING Sir ALW has written????
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No but you are still taking the p*ss, "Shirty Certy"!
Oh, no I mean great generous donater of CD's that would otherwise be going to the Charity shop!
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Posted: November 08 2004 at 13:07 |
It's actually a nice effort. But it's not really a cohesive piece, it's more an orchestra playing leftovertures by Rossinni or tsjaikovsky as background for some thrilling guitarplaying by Ritchie. The good parts are where ritchie appears with his squeeling guitar and some contributions of Ian Gillan and Roger Glover are alright. Overall it's a three and a half star album.
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jiggajake
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Posted: November 08 2004 at 13:38 |
tuxon wrote:
It's actually a nice effort. But it's not really a cohesive piece, it's more an orchestra playing leftovertures by Rossinni or tsjaikovsky as background for some thrilling guitarplaying by Ritchie. The good parts are where ritchie appears with his squeeling guitar and some contributions of Ian Gillan and Roger Glover are alright. Overall it's a three and a half star album.
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I agree 100 percent, though i think , while it lacked in cohesiveness in most tracks, there are a few that stand out above the rest. If im not mistaken, which i certainly could be, this was one of Deep Purples earlier works, and i think the band (not necessarily with the orchestra) come together really well, especially withe richies guitar.
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Posted: August 03 2005 at 23:12 |
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3 stars for me, poor Jon Lord had to cede control of the group to Blackmore after this one flopped ...
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Posted: August 04 2005 at 01:22 |
Velvetclown wrote:
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At least the classic version is without, never heard version with Steve.
I think the DVD of this concert is fun, there's some funny looking people you can watch in the boring parts. The 2nd part is my favourite, the one where IAN GILLAN does some singing too.
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Posted: August 04 2005 at 04:13 |
Utter thrash. As much as I am a Purple fan! Utter trash
If you read the liner notes about the incident about the second-rate Beatles and Jon Lord crying after it , it is so very true. He always had this fantasy to perform in black tie and coat tail alongside his group. His solo career is ridiculous (bar the Sarabande album - quite good actually - and the LAP project). Bob talks about confrontation , I talk of open warfare where my ears and brains are civilian casualties> colateral damage according to W.
Lord, Emerson , Wakeman and Brooker all had this fantasy performing with an orchestra to show their parents they were worthy musicians , not pop artists!
The only two succesful experiments of those years were Procol Harum live at Edmonton(Brookerwas born for this stuff ) and to a lesser extent Caravan's New Symphonia (clearly under-rehearsed)
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