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Points: 21156 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 18:37
Originally posted by omri omri wrote:

I feel like MIKENREGGALIA that if you include a band in the archives you should include all of their discography. I think the idea of borderline bands is a good idea.

I would claim that Deep purple, David Bowie, Kate Bush, Talking heads and Jefferson airplane (they are folk prog for sure) should all be included here for some of their works is realy prog and will interest some of us.

Thanks - of the bands you mentioned I only know Deep Purple well. As far as I know, a band can now be added if one of their albums is progressive (as a rule of thumb, the decision remains with the admins). I guess that means that 90% of one of their albums has to be progressive. I don't see that with Deep Purple - at least not with their work in the 70's ...

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Points: 12600 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 18:22

NO QUEEN!

So we have Queen and No Satriani? This site loses me more and more by the day!!
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Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I'll just continue with adding albums, let me know when the curtain falls and Queen is removed again, untill then I asume they have made the cut. cheers.

 

As far as I'm conserned this new open door policy can have a very positive effect on PA.

more bands in the archives means more people coming to the archives. maybe they come in as Queen/Radiohead/Elton John fans, but if we do our work porperly, they will leave the site as progholes.

If only to save one soul from a progless life it's worth it.

Thats exactly what happend to me, and now I'm a  proghole, and happy to be one.

thank you PA for changing me from a progless life to a proghole.

I say they arnt prog, but deserve to be on this site, for thier prog elements and for what Tuxon has said.



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Points: 21156 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 18:16
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

I found it quite annoying when our prog fans write this :

"Because this band is listed here , I want to leave progarchives ..."

 I think this is a CHILDY reaction

 

I always thought that PROG PEOPLE we more opened mind then the POP Music Boys , I always thought that we were different  in many aspect of our life !

I was wrong ....

It' up to you ... to leave or to stay !

But believe me , if you leave you will come back

 So true ... It's really stupid to believe that adding a band like Queen could diminish the value of this site in any way ... it can only get better. It's funny that people seem to react to the inclusion of a band like it meant that the band is supposed to replace their favorite band. It's just another band in the archives, and how it is rated is entirely up to you (all the visitors of this website). Radiohead was added, and it didn't score high as far as average rating is concerned. It didn't do any harm, did it?
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Add Syd Barrett

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Queen is not prog in my opinion, but who am I to decide.
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Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Queen is NOT prog. Next thing you know, they'll include Radiohead.

Queen is not progressive but I don't care the habitual thing for me in the page continues being of my interest I Will avoid to see things related to queen
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Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

So, Queen is *officially* on progarchives!

This defines a revolutionary step in the development of the website. Radiohead was just a preparation, it seems!

I am a huge Queen & Freddie fan, but Queen presence on progarchives is more than dubious. And, note, even "Jazz" (1978), on which there's not a trace of prog is included! I think first two albums by Queen are decent prog ... but even "Sheer Heart Attack" and "A Night at The Opera" are debatable. What is next? Freddie Mercury as art rock? Brian May?

Some people have already remarked (and I support them) that progarchives should have a section for "shady" or "borderline" bands (music), when it is unclear whether they write prog or not. Bands such as Queen, Styx, Radiohead, Supertramp, The Mars Volta should be placed there. People will still review their albums just as those of any other prog band, but at least (almost) everyone will be comfortable with this solution and this will end constant squabbles ...

I constantly argue with my friends over what's prog and what's not. They tend to listen to rock and the borderline bands ... and I decided for myself to not define the place of these borderline bands and indeed classify them as borderline!

It's like a cloud -- you certainly know where the centre and bulk of it is, but where does the cloud end?

A correction: now that I reflected on it, I think "Sheer Heart Attack" is debatable as prog, but "A Night At The Opera" might be an essential art rock (prog) creation by Queen.

ClapExactly, and I have been perhaps the loudest, lonliest voice in pushing for such a new category, or official, highly-visible admission that some of the bands and albums here are of dubious prog standing (but yet of interest to prog fans.

Well said -- "progressive rock" is a very subjective term, and that is the root of our never-ending "problem."Stern Smile
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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:04

Queen are on this site... but why are aren't Maiden? They maid far more progressive stuff than Freddie and his band... Just becouse Maiden are thought to be one of the main  heavy metal bands in history doesn't mean they have less right to be here then Queen (One of the main rock bands in history)!!!      

Damn, I feel like I'm lonely with this idea... but... well... I'll keep on fighting!!!
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Points: 3484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:58
Queen is NOT prog. Next thing you know, they'll include Radiohead.
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Points: 79 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:51
The "purists" hate this, but it's a good idea. I'd rather the site be inclusive for the borderline bands. That's all.
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I agree that we need a 'various' section in which all artists considered borderline or recommended listening for prog heads need to go.

I'll also agree with some of you saying that if Queen is on this site than Iron Maiden needs to be as well. Honestly, Maiden had so many more tendencies towards prog than Queen ever had. Personally, I find this odd that Queen is even considered an Art Rock band or even a band worthy enough of induction into the archives.
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Queen I - My Fairy King
Queen II - March Of The Black Queen
A Night At the Opera - Prophet song
Innuendo - Innuendo.

 

any other recommendations??

yeah,Fat Bottomed Girls,We Will Rock You and Radio Ga Ga

Radio GaGa is one of their most progressive songs, if only you people would hear it

consider RadioGaGa added, any more?
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I've been saying for the longest time:

INCLUDE BORDERLINE PROG ARTISTS IN THE VARIUOUS ARTISTS SECTION!!!!!!
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Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Queen I - My Fairy King
Queen II - March Of The Black Queen
A Night At the Opera - Prophet song
Innuendo - Innuendo.

 

any other recommendations??

yeah,Fat Bottomed Girls,We Will Rock You and Radio Ga Ga
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I'll just continue with adding albums, let me know when the curtain falls and Queen is removed again, untill then I asume they have made the cut. cheers.

 

As far as I'm conserned this new open door policy can have a very positive effect on PA.

more bands in the archives means more people coming to the archives. maybe they come in as Queen/Radiohead/Elton John fans, but if we do our work porperly, they will leave the site as progholes.

If only to save one soul from a progless life it's worth it.

prog on, and keep an open mind

If you don't want a band to be added, or you opose to a band than ignore it's excistens on the site, and surf around it, you don't have to like Queen, and you don't have to visit their page, and you don't have to review the albums, but there are people here who regard Queen as progressive (I am one of those silly boys). For a band to be added, i suppose the general rule that they have released at least one progressive album still aply's.

To inform you all, Queen has made 6 progressive albums, from which 2 are from the first till the last note fully progressive, the other four are as progressive as the best progressive rush albums, and the rest still has some prog sensibilities. I am not in doubt about there inclusion. the only thing i doubt is some peoples biased opinions.

forget the queen hits, and listen to the good stuff.

Queen II. bombastic pomp prog, the first progressive metal album IMO
Fash gordon, not a perfect album, but full out Space progressive rock
A Night At The Opera, can anyone say Prophet Song, Bohemian Rhapsody, or lazing on a sunday afternoon, to name but three excamples from this amazingly great album.

I'll send some mp3's to M@X so he can add them if he likes.

any suggestions which mp3's to add.

I suggest.

Queen I - My Fairy King
Queen II - March Of The Black Queen
A Night At the Opera - Prophet song
Innuendo - Innuendo.

 

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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2005 at 15:54

I have a bit of deja-vu here. We had a similar situation when Radiohead were added. That all settled down quickly, and the reviews of their albums are down to a trickle. Likewise, many people (me included!Embarrassed) feared the addition of Roxy Music would distort the site, yet their presence has barely sent a ripple through the review pages, and they are rarely discussed in the forum now.

After the initial surge of interest and reviews, Queen will settle down and find their place on the periphery of the site. The established "core" bands will always prevail.

Let's not over-react here, prog will always be the prime focus of the site.

 
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Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Off course prog rock shouldn't exist in a complete isolation. Forgive me if I'm targeted about this so called childy reaction. However don't misunderstand my words. I've only entended to say that the day where iron Maiden and a part of the classic heavy metal scene whill be included in the archives, the site will lost his signification for true fans of progressive music (I apply the term in its most generous dimension). Why do we put a seat of honour for classic (but absolutely not prog) bands as Queen despite that we are much to see about  bands accepted by everyone and not yet added. The early history of prog music dosen't include Queen, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and others. If you have properly read and heard about the musical roots of progressive rock you will be convinced about these following influences, free jazz, "world", modern classical music and psychedelic rock. Queen made a kind of ironic/ rock opera on the basis of pop, commercial, propagenda music. A wide range of progressive bands are musically against the architecture of common rock n' roll music and conceptually against the musical business exploitation. The central interest is music and an obvious taste for extensive exploration and fusion between musical philosophies from everywhere.

I endorse most of what Philippe says.It is though we are being drawn to include bands that may or may not have been an influence on the development Prog Rock.

So how about a sub-section called "Non-Prog Artists Who Have Influenced The Development of Prog Rock" and include a list of albums that might be of interest to archivists and collectors.

 
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Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

I found it quite annoying when our prog fans write this :

"Because this band is listed here , I want to leave progarchives ..."

 I think this is a CHILDY reaction

 

I always thought that PROG PEOPLE we more opened mind then the POP Music Boys , I always thought that we were different  in many aspect of our life !

I was wrong ....

 

Its not like we are not opended mind people...but just beacuse you say Queen should be here and some of us don´t, doesn´t makes us closed mind people,right? I mean woulndt we be more closed mind if we blindy agree to everything you say? If we can´t say what we think about Queen being here...then what can we say? Ever thought about that? But...it is true that some have a so what CHILDY reaction...still...QUEEN SHOULD NOT BE HERE!!!!!!!!

 
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Really. A daft move. I can hear people laughing at the credibility of the site already.

So let's open the door to every band of any type.  Wishbone Ash is more proggie, so is Spooky Tooth. Why haven't we got that section that I've long called for, that permits the odd one or two albums by bands which fits a tight description of prog, without having the lot. Queen's discography does not have the majority of albums in the prog category - glam rock (as they rightly said last Sunday on Top Gear) and rock pop.

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