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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:28
These are the politicians: . THESE ARE BEHIND THEM $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.And this is how they see us:. You see, it's very simple. WE ARE DOOMED


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:35
Kick ass emoticons felixxx
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:49
I voted Clinton, he made jobs and got us out of the red.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:49

I love George W., but Ronald Reagan was the best.

Bill Clinton!??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:18
bill did kinda sell us out (cough....medicare, wasnt it) to make himself look like an economic genius
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:24
Almost Always, one can thank the previous administration for the current economy. The economy was starting to go into an upswing when Bill Clinton went into office....Walaa!...He's an economic genius. When Bill Clinton left office, the economy was slowing down for months already and in came George W. to recieve all the blame.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:44
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Nixon for me,because he's the only one to publicly admit what a lying,cheating,conniving,immoral,duplicitous bastard he was.

Only because he got caught!

You mean the "I am not crook" man himself?  Frank Zappa wrote a song about him called Son of Orange County.  Pretty Funny.

Jimmy Carter was a good man but a bad president.  I remember the days of 20% inflation under him and he could do nothing.  Hostages in Iran and he could do nothing.  About the only good thing and it was pretty significant was the Camp David Accords with Israel and Egypt although it cost Anwar Sadat his life eventually.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:50

JFK. Even though he has connections to the mob, he was a good guy. With all the stuff that happened during his time, he really could haved f*cked up the entire world. But he didn't, which is good. Clinton was good too, personal life should be left out of politics, IMO. 

Not too cause controversy or arguments or anything, but Reagan was a bad president. Take a look at his economic policies, unless you enjoy recessions. Nixon was ok, but very...odd? That's not the best word to use. He was also a criminal and lied, cheated, and tapped to get ahead. O well...

Ford didnt do anything, Carter was just there (altho he was a nice guy). LBJ was good in the begining, but then came the war. Dont care for either Bush. Again, theres the econmics of it all. And with W...it's just so bad...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 16:17
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

 Clinton was good too, personal life should be left out of politics, IMO. 

 

The whole reason people were pissed at him is he wouldn't clean up the cum stains on the carpet in the oval office.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 17:51
Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

I love George W., but Ronald Reagan was the best.

Bill Clinton!??

Ronald Reagan was neat but (again from an outsiders point of view) not up there in my mind except he was an ex-hollywood star and some luny tried to assassinate him!!

As for George "dubya"  - what a war hawk he is! Just like his Daddy


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 18:06

Originally posted by Crimson Prince Crimson Prince wrote:

Everyone loved him---and for good reason!!

Not everyone

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 20:35

Ronald Reagan ranks the highest, say what you will but he rid us of the Russians.

In addition, his "trickle down economics" worked. He understood that the strength of the U.S. is not in large corporations, it's in the small business owner and their ability to create. His policies allowed small businesses to compete (remember Microsoft began in someone's garage, it certainly wasn't in the labs of IBM). Bill Clinton simply rode on the wave of his economic policies.

Nixon runs a close second, he opened up China, created detente with the Russians (it takes an SOB to deal with an SOB), got us out of a war that JFK got us into and LBJ didn't have the intestinal fortitude to deal with. Remember, this is the same guy who ran against Barry Goldwater in '64 promising the U.S. public that he wouldn't escalate the Viet Nam fiasco. Three months after he was elected he upped the ante by 100,000 troops.

George junior comes in third, the rest of the world may not like him because he takes the unpopoular stand. Howwever the man talks the talk and walks the walk. If you think I'm wrong, ask the Democrats about the downsides of not having "a position".

What's going on in Iraq is very interesting, they finally have a democratically elected goverment after fifty years. It won't be easy but they will find their way and be better for it. Democracy is like a cancer, it mestatizes very quickly...before you know it the rest of the middle east will catch it.

   

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 21:02

Reed Lover,

Obviously you have a strong disagreement with what I posted. I'd like to hear your point of view, B_ _ _ _ _ _ _ is a bit too narrow.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 21:21

Half of that post is absolutely true. so /...

All I know about Kennedy is well after the fact...except that, along with the pope, criticizing him was the best way to get lynched at my Irish family's get-togethers...

Johnson is vetoed for repeatedly pledging not to send any more US troops to Vietnam.

Nixon is vetoed for numerous obvious conspiracies against freedom in America. That and holding his dog by the ears.

Gerald Ford? He was president? I thought he was a cast member on the first few seasons of Saturday Night Live, eventually disappearing about the same time as Garrett Morris.

Jimmy Carter - okay, decent choice, if a little bland. The first president in decades who used the phrase "peace process" with any sort of authenticity.

Ronald Reagan is vetoed for claiming ignorance of Iran-Contra (whether true or not). Plus, trickle-down economics didn't work...in fact, it pretty much economically destroyed the part of the country where I was born, and it hasn't yet recovered. 

Bush Sr. would be vetoed, but the American public did that already after one pathetic term.

Bill Clinton - I'd like to stand up for him, but apart from his amiability and sax skills, I have no real esteem for the man.

GWB is vetoed for the Patriot Act alone, but also for opposing almost a century's worth of progress in civil rights and the environment. And that's just what he did when he was concerned about re-election...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 23:05
Thank you James Lee. Trickle Down economics is one of the worst economic policies, ever. It has always resulted in a recession or depression. It has never worked and it will never work. Giving breaks to the rich is not a good idea, and Reagan (and Hoover, i believe,  Bush and any other president you used this "theroy of econmics")  is proof of this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 23:14

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Almost Always, one can thank the previous administration for the current economy. The economy was starting to go into an upswing when Bill Clinton went into office....Walaa!...He's an economic genius. When Bill Clinton left office, the economy was slowing down for months already and in came George W. to recieve all the blame.

Sorry Gdub.. the economy started going down after Bush's first term.. not after Clinton's.  He started the roll and now he's having to deal with it his second term... G.W. earns his blames.. all by himself.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 01:48
Originally posted by utah_man utah_man wrote:


i find it very interesting that presidents, since 1960, from the state of texas, have all put us into war. 

l.b.j
george bush
george w.




Yes, the Bush family has gotten the US into war twice, but the allegation against LBJ isn't a valid one, for many reasons: first, there were US troops in Nam before LBJ took office, even since the end of WWII, right up through Truman, Ike, and JFK. Second, there was no way in the climate of the mid-60s that LBJ could move out of Nam. After China fell to communism under the Truman administration, the democrats wouldn't dare let another domino fall in the far east! The policy of communist containment was too important, and despite the now popularized counter-culture of hippies and rockers, the containment policy enjoyed lots of public support. Americans feared communism, and somebody had to take a stand against it. I think LBJ's "great society" was a load of bullsh*t, but given the political climate of the 60s, you can't claim him to be a warhawk. As for the Bush's, they jumped on the opportunity to attack in the name of self-defense, first with the invasion of Kuwait and then with 9/11, but they went too far... new Bush particularly... at least old Bush didn't initiate force against the Iraqis, as they attacked our ally first, and even then he didn't march to Baghdad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 01:56
I agree about Reagan's Trickle Down policy, thats crap... it just makes the economic gap top heavy... but he was on to something with free enterprise. A free economy is not about money trickling down to the down trodden, its about giving the down trodden the opportunity to rise up and rightfully earn that wealth. So I reject the welfare state and trickle down: one violates the rights of the wealthier members of society by outright theft and giving their money to those who haven't worked for it nor deserved it, while the whole "trickle down" system just returns money to the rich, while in and of itself isn't so bad, but doesn't do anything to foster economic growth, since the wealthy just put that money away in huge bank vaults and collect interest on it. The key is removing the barriers or licensing and regulation to allow the poorer members of society the opportunity to make something of themselves. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 03:09
What I don't understand is: if we are indeed a free-market economy, why are we placing so much importance on our past presidents' economic records?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 03:22
They all are rubbish!!
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