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James Lee
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Topic: Prices at the Pump this week Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:15 |
For my fellow Americans (who drive or at least pump gas), do you find this accurate and what do you think about it? For our foreign friends, how do your gas prices stack up?
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:27 |
Please change subject. Bush has driven the prices thru the roof (and his family is getting loads of cash more as a direct consequence) by so-called Removing Saddam humanitarian mission. There has been more dead in Iraq since he launched that than Saddam regime would manage in 100 years!
In central-western Europe , the price for unleaded gas is around 1,20 Euro/ liter! This is roughly $1,80 /liter to be multiplied by 4 to get a gallon! Around $ 7,00/Gallon if I math/convert well!
A good deal of it are taxes , though!
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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James Lee
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:30 |
just in case anyone missed it, the gas prices are least expensive in the Gulf States (which include Texas and Florida, home states of the Bush family). I'm sure there's a very good reason for this...
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drbr
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:09 |
The gas prices here are 70-75 % taxes. We pay $1.50 per litre. That is
$5.70 per gallon. So what are you Americans complaining about?
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The-Bullet
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:48 |
Factoring in the difference between UK/US gallons, we here in the UK pay about 2 1/2 times what you do.That doesn't mean that what you're having to put up with is right,but it puts things into perspective. I also found it interesting from an ecology point of view that when the President was quized on Iran he wondered "why they don't burn more oil"  . No chance of him signing on to the Kyoto thing for a while yet then..
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 13:00 |
unleaded 95 costs €1.34/l where I work, nice prise eh.
people are complaining about it but still. The price for a beer is €2,00 per glass (1/4 liter), which makes 8 euro/l and that doesn't get your car 10 kilometers in the right direction.
IMO prices are way too low, I think a good price would be € 3,00 euro per liter. That should encourage people to take public transport and help the envirement.
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James Lee
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:16 |
tuxon wrote:
IMO prices are way too low...That should encourage people to take public transport and help the envirement.
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You'd think that, wouldn't you? Your idea sure makes sense to me, but auto sales in the US are actually up, with a bigger demand than ever for performance and size rather than economy and mileage.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:39 |
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I am in Idaho and this is right on the money. I was at a 1/4 tank and it cost me 32 clams to fill 'er up. Ridiculous. My theory: gas will never go below $2 a gallon again. Also, I have to buy it, so why waste energy speculating about the price? ..... seem I forgot my own rule.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:39 |
Don't use American cars then! 
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 16:01 |
James Lee said: "just in case anyone missed it, the gas prices are least expensive in the Gulf States (which include Texas and Florida, home states of the Bush family). I'm sure there's a very good reason for this..."
I also think that is where the headquarters of most of the major Oil Companies reside too. Heaven forbid they pay more than the low lifes on the West Coast. Hey I'm one of those 
First it was electricity prices now they gouge us with gasoline. California is getting bled dry by Texas! 
How about them Cowboys!   
tuxon wrote:
IMO prices are way too low...That should encourage people to take public transport and help the envirement.
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James Lee Said "You'd think that, wouldn't you? Your idea sure makes sense to me, but auto sales in the US are actually up, with a bigger demand than ever for performance and size rather than economy and mileage."
IF we had any public transportation that was reliable and made sense and was affordable, (even with gas prices it is still cheaper to drive and less time consuming).
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goose
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 17:31 |
I was talking to my friend just yesterday about a related topic - he said Ford's profits are falling because there's a trend towards buying cars without such ridiculously large engines in the US, which in my book can only be a good thing (not for Ford, obviously).
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 21:29 |
Garion81 wrote:
James Lee said: "just in case anyone missed it, the gas prices are least expensive in the Gulf States (which include Texas and Florida, home states of the Bush family). I'm sure there's a very good reason for this..."
I also think that is where the headquarters of most of the major Oil Companies reside too. Heaven forbid they pay more than the low lifes on the West Coast. Hey I'm one of those 
First it was electricity prices now they gouge us with gasoline. California is getting bled dry by Texas! 
How about them Cowboys!   
tuxon wrote:
IMO prices are way too low...That should encourage people to take public transport and help the envirement.
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James Lee Said "You'd think that, wouldn't you? Your idea sure makes sense to me, but auto sales in the US are actually up, with a bigger demand than ever for performance and size rather than economy and mileage."
IF we had any public transportation that was reliable and made sense and was affordable, (even with gas prices it is still cheaper to drive and less time consuming).
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Folks,
The price of gasoline is driven by two factors.
1) Investor speculation on oil features, this is reminicent of the dot.com bonanza in the late nineties.
2) We haven't built a new nuclear plant in the U.S. since 1970. We haven't built a new oil refinery since the late seventies. Without new plants, the cost of refining goes up. In economic cirlces it's called functional obsolesence.
The reason why the cost in Texas and the gulf states are lower is because this is where oil (to be refined) coming from overseas is unloaded. Guess where most of the refining is done. Texas has the largest oil reserves in the U.S. with the exception of Alaska. Where would you keep the refining plants? In economic circles this is called production cycle or just in time production. The aim is to keep the distribution cost down.
As far as California is concerned, this is the effect of 30 years of environmental legislation gone crazy. You can't expect to continue relying on the same utility plants to generate additional power. California's population has grown tenfold in thirty years, however no new plants have been built. This is due to California's decision to not build new ones as it will pollute the state. That's easy to understand however it's not realistic. Neither is it realistic for California to place caps on the price paid for a kilowatt of electricity. California utilities started to go bankrupt in the late nineties because the legislation wouldn't allow them to sell above the price cap. In effect, they were selling electricity below cost!!?? Given that situation, California had to shop in neighboring states for electricity. However they weren't willing to pay the open market price therefore they began having their famous brownouts. You can't dictate pricing in an open market. Demand sets the price, if you don't want to pay or can't afford it, well that's just too bad. Welcome to the grown up world.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 21:45 |
gleam wrote:
You can't dictate pricing in an open market. Demand sets the price, if you don't want to pay or can't afford it, well that's just too bad. Welcome to the grown up world.
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I'd agree with you, if A) it was really an open market instead of largely dictated by a very exclusive economic oglicarchy, and B) "grown-up" is too loosely equated with "screw 'em if they're not strong enough to pull their own rock uphill." Maybe the slope of the hill and the size of the rock are important factors, as well.
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Posted: April 29 2005 at 22:07 |
drbr wrote:
The gas prices here are 70-75 % taxes. We pay $1.50 per litre. That is $5.70 per gallon. So what are you Americans complaining about?
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We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice.
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 02:32 |
Damn West Coast prices...
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drbr
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 06:11 |
dropForge wrote:
drbr wrote:
The gas prices here are 70-75 % taxes.
We pay $1.50 per litre. That is $5.70 per gallon. So what are you
Americans complaining about?
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We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice. |
You make it sound like Americans are the only ones who suffer from high
gas prices. That is certainly not the case. High prices are constantly
debated and criticised over here. It's probably true that you drive
more on average, though. But is it several times more driving?
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 06:33 |
dropForge wrote:
We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice.
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And you make less efficient cars. Not very logical, is it?
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dropForge
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 20:48 |
drbr wrote:
dropForge wrote:
We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice. |
You make it sound like Americans are the only ones who suffer from high gas prices. |
Do us both a favor, and don't put words in my mouth.
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dropForge
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Posted: April 30 2005 at 20:49 |
goose wrote:
dropForge wrote:
We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice.
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And you make less efficient cars. Not very logical, is it?
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Honda is the best selling sedan auto over here.
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drbr
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Posted: May 01 2005 at 09:20 |
dropForge wrote:
Do us both a favor, and don't put words in my mouth. |
I didn't.
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