Forum Home Forum Home > Topics not related to music > General discussions
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Prices at the Pump this week
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedPrices at the Pump this week

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
James Lee View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 05 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3525
Direct Link To This Post Topic: Prices at the Pump this week
    Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:15

Gas Pump Scorecard

 
  This Week Last Week Year Ago
Gas Price - U.S. Average
(per gallon)
$2.24
$2.28
$1.81
East Coast
$2.21
$2.23
$1.76
Mid West
$2.15
$2.25
$1.78
Gulf Coast
$2.16
$2.18
$1.70
Rocky Mountain
$2.26
$2.26
$1.86
West Coast
$2.53
$2.53
$2.09
Where the Money Goes
Cost breakdown per gallon
21% Taxes
6% Distribution & Marketing
19% Refining
54% Crude Oil
Source: U.S. Department of Energy

 

For my fellow Americans (who drive or at least pump gas), do you find this accurate and what do you think about it? For our foreign friends, how do your gas prices stack up?

Back to Top
Sean Trane View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Prog Folk

Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20436
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:27

Please change subject. Bush has driven the prices thru the roof (and his family is getting loads of cash more as a direct consequence) by so-called Removing Saddam humanitarian mission. There has been more dead in Iraq since he launched that than Saddam regime would manage in 100 years!

In central-western Europe , the price for unleaded gas is around 1,20 Euro/ liter! This is roughly $1,80 /liter to be multiplied by 4 to get a gallon! Around $ 7,00/Gallon if I math/convert well!

A good deal of it are taxes , though!

let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
Back to Top
James Lee View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 05 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3525
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:30
just in case anyone missed it, the gas prices are least expensive in the Gulf States (which include Texas and Florida, home states of the Bush family). I'm sure there's a very good reason for this...
Back to Top
drbr View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: February 06 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 20
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:09
The gas prices here are 70-75 % taxes. We pay $1.50 per litre. That is $5.70 per gallon. So what are you Americans complaining about?
Back to Top
The-Bullet View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 23 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 401
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:48
Factoring in the difference between UK/US gallons, we here in the UK pay about 2 1/2 times what you do.That doesn't mean that what you're having to put up with is right,but it puts things into perspective. I also found it interesting from an ecology point of view that when the President was quized on Iran he wondered "why they don't burn more oil" . No chance of him signing on to the Kyoto thing for a while yet then..

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
Back to Top
tuxon View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 21 2004
Location: plugged-in
Status: Offline
Points: 5502
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 13:00

unleaded 95 costs €1.34/l where I work, nice prise eh.

people are complaining about it but still. The price for a beer is €2,00 per glass (1/4 liter), which makes 8 euro/l and that doesn't get your car 10 kilometers in the right direction.

 

IMO prices are way too low, I think a good price would be € 3,00 euro per liter. That should encourage people to take public transport and help the envirement.

 

I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
Back to Top
James Lee View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 05 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3525
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:16
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

IMO prices are way too low...That should encourage people to take public transport and help the envirement.

You'd think that, wouldn't you? Your idea sure makes sense to me, but auto sales in the US are actually up, with a bigger demand than ever for performance and size rather than economy and mileage.

Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Forum Guest Group
Forum Guest Group
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:39
Rocky Mountain
$2.26
$2.26
$1.86

I am in Idaho and this is right on the money. I was at a 1/4 tank and it cost me 32 clams to fill 'er up. Ridiculous. My theory: gas will never go below $2 a gallon again. Also, I have to buy it, so why waste energy speculating about the price? ..... seem I forgot my own rule.

Back to Top
goose View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4097
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:39

Don't use American cars then!

Back to Top
Garion81 View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 22 2004
Location: So Cal, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 4338
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 16:01

James Lee said: "just in case anyone missed it, the gas prices are least expensive in the Gulf States (which include Texas and Florida, home states of the Bush family). I'm sure there's a very good reason for this..."

 I also think that is where the headquarters of most of the major Oil Companies reside too.  Heaven forbid they pay more than the low lifes on the West Coast. Hey I'm one of those

First it was electricity prices now they gouge us with gasoline.  California is getting bled dry by Texas!

How about them Cowboys! 


tuxon wrote:

IMO prices are way too low...That should encourage people to take public transport and help the envirement.

James Lee Said "You'd think that, wouldn't you? Your idea sure makes sense to me, but auto sales in the US are actually up, with a bigger demand than ever for performance and size rather than economy and mileage."

 

IF we had any public transportation that was reliable and made sense and was affordable, (even with gas prices it is still cheaper to drive and less time consuming).

 




"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
Back to Top
goose View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4097
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 17:31

I was talking to my friend just yesterday about a related topic - he said Ford's profits are falling because there's a trend towards buying cars without such ridiculously large engines in the US, which in my book can only be a good thing (not for Ford, obviously).

Back to Top
gleam View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 01 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 299
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 21:29
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

James Lee said: "just in case anyone missed it, the gas prices are least expensive in the Gulf States (which include Texas and Florida, home states of the Bush family). I'm sure there's a very good reason for this..."

 I also think that is where the headquarters of most of the major Oil Companies reside too.  Heaven forbid they pay more than the low lifes on the West Coast. Hey I'm one of those

First it was electricity prices now they gouge us with gasoline.  California is getting bled dry by Texas!

How about them Cowboys! 


tuxon wrote:

IMO prices are way too low...That should encourage people to take public transport and help the envirement.

James Lee Said "You'd think that, wouldn't you? Your idea sure makes sense to me, but auto sales in the US are actually up, with a bigger demand than ever for performance and size rather than economy and mileage."

 

IF we had any public transportation that was reliable and made sense and was affordable, (even with gas prices it is still cheaper to drive and less time consuming).

 


Folks,

The price of gasoline is driven by two factors.

1) Investor speculation on oil features, this is reminicent of the dot.com bonanza in the late nineties.

2) We haven't built a new nuclear plant in the U.S. since 1970. We haven't built a new oil refinery since the late seventies. Without new plants, the cost of refining goes up. In economic cirlces it's called functional obsolesence. 

The reason why the cost in Texas and the gulf states are lower is because this is where oil (to be refined) coming from overseas is unloaded. Guess where most of the refining is done. Texas has the largest oil reserves in the U.S. with the exception of Alaska. Where would you keep the refining plants? In economic circles this is called production cycle or just in time production. The aim is to keep the distribution cost down. 

As far as California is concerned, this is the effect of 30 years of environmental legislation gone crazy. You can't expect to continue relying on the same utility plants to generate additional power. California's population has grown tenfold in thirty years, however no new plants have been built. This is due to California's decision to not build new ones as it will pollute the state. That's easy to understand however it's not realistic. Neither is it realistic for California to place caps on the price paid for a kilowatt of electricity. California utilities started to go bankrupt in the late nineties because the legislation wouldn't allow them to sell above the price cap. In effect, they were selling electricity below cost!!?? Given that situation, California had to shop in neighboring states for electricity. However they weren't willing to pay the open market price therefore they began having their famous brownouts. You can't dictate pricing in an open market. Demand sets the price, if you don't want to pay or can't afford it, well that's just too bad. Welcome to the grown up world.

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

Back to Top
James Lee View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 05 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3525
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 21:45
Originally posted by gleam gleam wrote:

You can't dictate pricing in an open market. Demand sets the price, if you don't want to pay or can't afford it, well that's just too bad. Welcome to the grown up world.

I'd agree with you, if A) it was really an open market instead of largely dictated by a very exclusive economic oglicarchy, and B) "grown-up" is too loosely equated with "screw 'em if they're not strong enough to pull their own rock uphill." Maybe the slope of the hill and the size of the rock are important factors, as well.

Back to Top
dropForge View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: April 24 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 608
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 29 2005 at 22:07

Originally posted by drbr drbr wrote:

The gas prices here are 70-75 % taxes. We pay $1.50 per litre. That is $5.70 per gallon. So what are you Americans complaining about?

We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice.

Back to Top
Cygnus X-2 View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 24 2004
Location: Bucketheadland
Status: Offline
Points: 21342
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 02:32
Damn West Coast prices...
Back to Top
drbr View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: February 06 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 20
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 06:11
Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

Originally posted by drbr drbr wrote:

The gas prices here are 70-75 % taxes. We pay $1.50 per litre. That is $5.70 per gallon. So what are you Americans complaining about?

We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice.


You make it sound like Americans are the only ones who suffer from high gas prices. That is certainly not the case. High prices are constantly debated and criticised over here. It's probably true that you drive more on average, though. But is it several times more driving?
Back to Top
goose View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 20 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4097
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 06:33
Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice.

And you make less efficient cars. Not very logical, is it?  

Back to Top
dropForge View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: April 24 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 608
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 20:48

Originally posted by drbr drbr wrote:

Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice.

You make it sound like Americans are the only ones who suffer from high gas prices.

Do us both a favor, and don't put words in my mouth.

 

 

Back to Top
dropForge View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: April 24 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 608
Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2005 at 20:49
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

We "Americans" cover a lot more ground, i.e. do a lot more driving. Not always by choice.

And you make less efficient cars. Not very logical, is it?  

Honda is the best selling sedan auto over here.

 

Back to Top
drbr View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie


Joined: February 06 2005
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 20
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2005 at 09:20
Originally posted by dropForge dropForge wrote:

Do us both a favor, and don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.371 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.