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Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:25 |
i will agree that we havent advanced since, but think that much af what kant did (so exceedingly garrulously) had already been approached in less extensive detail and systematization by john locke in his "essay concerning human understanding" many years prior and with much less confusion
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:29 |
hopelevre wrote:
i will agree that we havent advanced since, but think that much af what kant did (so exceedingly garrulously) had already been approached in less extensive detail and systematization by john locke in his "essay concerning human understanding" many years prior and with much less confusion |
Duh! And me thought Immannuel Kant reinvented the whole of Western thought with no external influences!
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:37 |
im only saying i beleive the works in question to be LARGELY derivative and not necessarily deserving of all the accolades doted upon them
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:48 |
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My my, I don't think this board's been as intellectual in years!
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I'm not convinced it is now. 
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:53 |
unfortunately, for all the wrong reasons(emotions)
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:57 |
actually, this thread does ask a question, there aren't really emotions present here save for the last couple posts
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:59 |
hmmmm. ...i suppose i have performed another one of my egregious trangressions....i mean it had to be me right?
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 19:04 |
I actually don't see any of your "egregious transgressions" and I
didn't know what you were talking about, so I just assumed you knew
what you were talking about. But nah, you're fine
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Posted: April 27 2005 at 19:19 |
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However, as that other titan of philosophy Meat Loaf so succinctly pointed out, two out of three ain't bad. |
Damn, I've been listening to Meat Loaf all wrong! All this time I thought he was a semi-corpulent AOR novelty, but it turnes out he belongs with the other greats of metaphysics and epistemology. The entire "Bat out of Hell" album is actually a thinly veiled overview of 19th and 20th century philosophy; the song "Bat out of Hell" is actually commenting on Thomas Hobbes (truth seen too late), "For Crying out Loud" is analogous to Sartre's "Nauesa", and "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" actually represents Bertrand Russell's "Marriage and Morals", with the shifting narrative perspective subtly poking fun at Russell's often contradictory positions.
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Posted: April 28 2005 at 04:31 |
i dont think meat loaf really fits in with the likes of spinoza, locke, hobbes, or leibniz.....but ill give you descartes , kant, and sartre!!!dont know russelll....sounds like a book margaret meade would have written, is it similar to her work(other than that she didnt contradict herself much? )???ive never known of a more hip woman in history , she had to be 50 years ahead of her time,obviously a vocational development as she was exposed to so many different types of cultural behaviour not much offended her
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Posted: April 28 2005 at 13:49 |
Bertrand Russell is a UK philosopher who is remembered as the father of logical positivism, and whose History of Western Philosophy is always fun to disagree with. He was also a contemporary of Wittgenstein, with whom he had the famous elephant in the room debate. Further to this he was a political activist, and got arrested on a CND march in his 80s and did a few days in Brixton jail. On top of all that, he was mathematician, and was the co author of Principia Mathematica (Russell and Whitehead). The partnership didn't last, however, and his mathematical sparring partner later co authored the disco smash Ain't No Stopping Us Now (McFadden and Whitehead).
I'm right with you regarding Paradise By The Dashboard Light, James Lee, a most incisive and thought provoking commentary there.
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Posted: April 28 2005 at 13:52 |
thank you...ill check his stuff out
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Posted: April 28 2005 at 16:43 |
^ Russell or Meatloaf?
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Posted: April 28 2005 at 23:40 |
i can't believe that you guys have spent all this time conflicting with hopelevre. If you knew him like i do, you would know to just nod and smile. He has his moments...for better and worse.
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