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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 05:03

There are published books, like the Record Collector's Guide - but I find that eBay is a pretty accurate thermometer for value, when watched over time. Another good site is Popsike.com, which basically collects eBay auctions for valuable records.

I learn about the various labels, covers, matrix numbers, etc. by watching various items and taking note of the closing price. Obviously I only watch items that interest me - but over the last couple of years or so, it's built up, as I particularly like watching prog albums in case I spot one in my local record shop .

It's important to realise that this is just a yardstick - sometimes items fetch outrageous prices simply because the dealer has a good reputation or the item itself has something unique or special about it - e.g. a mint copy of "Please Please Me" by the Beatles with a poly bag from a particular record shop in Liverpool (I forget which) can command up to £1,000 more than a similarly mint copy without the bag.

CP: I would guess that ITCOTCK on Atlantic would be an import copy. These tend to be less valuable than U.K. pressings, which are most valuable for UK bands as a rule - with the notable exception of early Japanese pressings.

RT: I can't make out the label on your DSOTM, but the layout appears wrong for a UK press. The "hollow" triangle presses tend to be low in value, with the exception of the second press, whose matrix numbers end -3, IIRC.

The Wall is very difficult to guage - again, matrix numbers are most helpful here. Late 1970s albums are much harder to value than early 1970s, because there's very little difference between the FP and later pressings.

Sgt Pepper needs to be on the Parlophone label with "Parlophone" in large yellow letters, and the LP in the "Fool on the Hill" red and white wavy innner. The Stereo is worth more than the MONO, and the "Wide Spine" sleeve is the top collectable - I've seen one fetch £1,000.

 

The FP of CTTE is on the Orange and Plum Atlantic label, but the MFSL pressings are worth more;

 

The FP of Aqualung is on the Island label - but it's high quality equivalent, the DSS press is more valuable;

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 05:15
Btw, i'm preparing a thread about vynil cleaning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 08:26
Ah thanks cert.. what about my version of close to the edge?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 08:40

There are some good articles on this site, about how records are pressed, history and general maintenance:  http://www.recordcollectorsguild.org/ 

I was interested to read that some people (with very keen ears) can hear quality in degradation on vinyl after a mere 5 plays.

One article I'd like to see is on physical reasons why first pressings are best. I know the general outline:

A laquer disc is cut on a lathe, and a negative made (the father). Mothers (positive images) and acetates (same thing?) are made from the father, coated in metal plate, and Stampers made from each mother.

Stampers are then used to create the actual shipping discs, and each has a code identifying itself and the mother, e.g. EMI records use the code GRAMOPHNE C LTD for their stampers, and numerics for the mothers, so a very first press would carry the code 1 G.

As you make each copy, some degradation occurs - so the 2nd mother carries slightly less sound quality than the first, due to wear on the father. Similarly with the stampers.

But, to compound that, around 1,000 pressings are made from each stamper - and you've no way of knowing whether yours is #1 or #1000, to the best of my knowledge. Theoretically, pressing #1 from stamper 2 G would be better than pressing #1000 from stamper 1 G - or would it?

Er... I digress as usual

The second pressing is made from fresh mothers - so it doesn't take much to work out that #1 of the second press will be lower in quality than #1 from the first stamper made from the last mother of the first press.

When a recording is remastered - in the case of the MFSL series, the tape is played and a new father (master) cut at half speed - which significantly improves sound quality. Hence MFSL discs are highly valued.

 

Please note that this information comes from my personal research, and could be inaccurate (as hard as I try to learn the facts, the principle of GIGO stands firm!) - I welcome any corrections or additional detail

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:52

Originally posted by Radioactive Toy Radioactive Toy wrote:

Ah thanks cert.. what about my version of close to the edge?

The valuable one is the MFSL edition. The first press is on this (exact coloured) label;

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2005 at 14:53
Nice work

The best yes album in my opinion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2005 at 07:33
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

The First UK Pressing has a solid pink label, and the sleeve is made by E. J. Day. The second has a pink rim with palm trees on - the first is the best;

1st U.K. press (the ultimate - goes for about £50 - 500 depending on condition)

 

2nd Press - not bad, but don't pay more than £20.

 

Later press - £5 tops.

I've been trough an really odd and ragged collection, but I've found some stuff..

I found uriah heep demons and wizards, cool cover! Beatles - revolver well.. just great music!

AND I've found a in the court of.. I tought it wasn't worth to check the label.. did it anyway's!

It's an UK pressing with the pink I label  YEAH luck turned on my side!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2005 at 09:31
Just got a 1st press of ITCOTKC off ebay for £13. A first pressing virgin here but I have to say the sound/clarity/definition is amazing.

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2005 at 11:31
Vynils are so beautiful...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2005 at 19:54

 

SPAM ALERT

I've just listed a batch of my Vinyl on there..they are el minto no worries.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2005 at 08:43
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2005 at 09:22

Cert's ITCOTCK price was well informed -

Hope whoever get's it has a good postman

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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