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VLADO
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Topic: the most important 2LP Posted: April 25 2005 at 04:10 |
I cannot get now more. The phenomenon of 2LP appeared together with the more progressive music when musicians needed more space for their expressions and ideas. Now, in the time of CDs and mp3s, it has no sense to make 2LPs, but anyway, I like these old vinyl 2LPs wherein you could read as in a book. I would voice for Genesis, but I put my voice for Progres 2 since no one other will, surely. It is a group which in the former Czechoslovakia was an exceptional example of the superb progressive rock with big themes, light concerts and of course 2LPs.
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Man Erg
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 04:49 |
I voted for Miles as it is one of THE albums that defines a genre.
Others that are just as important are:-
Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde
FZ & The Mothers - Freak Out
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 05:34 |
Man Erg wrote:
I voted for Miles as it is one of THE albums that defines a genre.
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Which genre and how did it define it?
As I've written many times Bitches Brew is not the precursor to jazz rock - there is at least 5 years of the music before Bitches gets recorded and closer to 7 by the time it was released. A landmark album of jazz fusion, no doubt, but jazz funk more likely - and giving the genre much greater public awareness than previous - while shocking the old farts of the traditional forms of jazz.
Miles was interested in the James Brown or the Sly & Family Stone soul/dance thing, while in comparison his drummer Tony Williams was more interested in the rock thing; (Lifetime had two albums out before Bitches: Emergency/Turn It Over). While a large number of bands and groups spin out the direct association with Miles (from the period of In A Silent Way or even before), the music they went to played in the 70's was distant to that heard on Bitches Brew. The obvious examples of Mahavishnu Orchestra or RTF, didn't sound like Bitches. You have to move forward to the 90's through to now before you hear real echoes of Bitches, but in modern jazz rock fusion e.g. Adam Holtzman (himself a former Davis sideman), Tom Browne, the nu-fusion of Nils Petter Molvaer, which itself sounds to be derived from Jon Hassell's mid 90's albums, and in French jazz dance groups like No Jazz or Largo. Who would dare imitate Miles whilst he was alive? The ten years after Miles premature death, Wynton Marsalis held sway wrt trumpet. Thanks goodness young jazz musicians are no longer in such awe of what Marsalis says, and doing their own thing, and now jazz with all its sub-genres can move forward at a faster rate.
In passing there is new biography about the last years of Miles' life, which describes Miles being into Prince and rap (amongst other black music) - apparently there are recordings of Miles Davis and rappers (shock, horror, do I hear), that lay in the archives.
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Man Erg
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 06:04 |
Dick Heath wrote:
[QUOTE=Man Erg] I voted for Miles as it is one of THE albums that defines a genre. |
Which genre and how did it define it?
A landmark album of jazz fusion, no doubt, but jazz funk more likely - and giving the genre much greater public awareness than previous - while shocking the old farts of the traditional forms of jazz.
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Pablo_P
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 06:09 |
Where is LED ZEPPELIN'S "Physical Graffiti"? I love
"Kashmir", it's my favourite track of this classical band...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:22 |
Yup.........Physical Grafitti..!?!$%
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tuxon
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:27 |
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
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The Hemulen
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:30 |
Soft Machine - Third?
Focus 3?
Aphrodite's Child - 666?
All absent. Yet Sting is present. And Progres 2, whoever the blazes they might be...
Polls like this really are pretty ludicrous. What the hell, I voted for Miles.
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valravennz
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:32 |
I voted the Beatles but I also like TFTO. My favourite all time dbl albums are: Deep Purple "Made in Japan" and Uriah Heep "Live Downunder" . Oh and I also like Kansas "Two For the Show"
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Alucard
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:39 |
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Man Erg
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 07:49 |
The Who -Tommy / Quadrophenia
Amon Duul II - Yeti
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Logos
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 08:01 |
Tangerine Dream - Encore
Tangerine Dream - Zeit
But out of these, The Lamb. It's not the best album they made, but
still, it's influence in prog music and concept albums can not be
measured. Huge, huge album.
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:18 |
I say the White Album because it is the 2LP that spawned all other 2LPs.
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maani
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:43 |
Most important? "The Beatles," without question. (Though Bitches Brew was equally important within its genre.)
Favorite? A toss-up between The Lamb and The Wall. I would also have to include three live albums (none of which you include): Genesis' Seconds Out, ELP's Welcome Back My Friends, and Gentle Giant's Playing the Fool.
Peace.
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marktheshark
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 10:45 |
Frank's Freak Out?
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bumheed7
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:11 |
goodby yellow brick road would've got my vote if it was there. followed
by physical graffiti and songs in the key of life by stevie wonder.
oh..and rick wakeman's rhapsodies or metallica's s&m. anyway, i
voted for topographic oceans
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Alucard
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 11:50 |
maani wrote:
Most important? "The Beatles," without question. (Though Bitches Brew was equally important within its genre.)
Favorite? A toss-up between The Lamb and The Wall. I would also have to include three live albums (none of which you include): Genesis' Seconds Out, ELP's Welcome Back My Friends, and Gentle Giant's Playing the Fool.
Peace.
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Maani : I don't agree with you, for me the White album is overrated, it is more a document in time, it was never conceived as a whole, even if there are some of the best Beatles songs on it.
Crimson Prince: it did not generated all the 2LP. That was either Zappa's Freak out or Dylan's Blonde on Blonde
I voted for the Lamb, but then I don'think it's an "important" record in Rock history, for me the most important one is Clash: London Calling
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 12:58 |
Dave Brubeck Quartet's 1963 (or '4) double Live At Carnegie Hall, (trouble was you had to buy as separates, Volume 1 and Volume 2 - but the 2002 CD remaster put the gig into a single package). This would inspire Nice (eg. Blue Rondo Ala Turk - which Emerson rocked up as Rondo), and Joe Morello's shifting time signatures a lot of serious rock/prog rock drummers.
Who's Tommy and Quadraphenia (as mentioned above)
John Mayall's Diary Of A Band (yet another double sold as separates, Volume 1 and Volume 2) really rough around the edges recording but as a document of Mick Taylor growing up as guitarist, is invaluable
Cream's Wheels On Fire, one of those early rock jazz albums - Jack Bruce recently said: "Ginger and I were the jazz rhythm section in Cream, Eric played the Ornette Coleman part - but we didn't tell him!" (BBC4 Jazz Britannia part 2)
Chicago's Chicago Transit Authority (and then to a lesser extent Chicago and III)
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Fantômas
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:04 |
The Clash - London Calling
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And above all, is punk
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Cluster One
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Posted: April 25 2005 at 13:26 |
I voted for "The Lamb" out of those offered, but there is absolutely NO
DENYING that "The White Album" is a massive landmark in the history of
music.
Other faves:
"Physical Graffitti"
"Seconds Out"
"Black Crowes - Live"
"Quadrophenia"
"The Wall"
"TFTO"
Was STING's "Nothing Like The Sun" a double album? (The copy I own, which I love, is only a single offering...)
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