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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 17:44
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

But Progman, bands should not be added to the archives simply because we "like them". Using that logic, we could see the Beach Boys added!Confused 

What? Beach Boys aren't on the archives? that's outrageous!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 17:24

I really love Deep Purple. By far my favorite Heavy rock band, but they're definitively not prog. They're awesome rock band with incredible guitarist, one of the ten best lead singer of all time, and organ which give a little proggy sounds at time. It's like the Bowie thread !

I think that alan_pfeifer is right in his proposition !!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 17:17

early purple was amazing with child in time...black night...child in time etc...bloody amazing !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 16:41
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Hmm. I find Reed's argument to be along the lines of "DP aren't prog, ergo they aren't prog"

Absolutely not Cert.Confused

I thought the general concensus was that the majority of a band's output had to be Prog for them to be considered a Prog Rock band.This is quite obviously not the case (and I shouldnt have to trot out loads of examples of tracks that arent-just to satisfy your anal tendenciesTongue)
I'll satisfy myself with the tracks thay are their most famous:

1. Smoke On the WaterThumbs Down
2. Highway StarThumbs Down
3. Child In Time Question
4. Space truckin'Ermm
5. Woman From TokyoThumbs Down
6. Speed KingThumbs Down

etc

I have In Rock,Machine Head,Fireball,Burn and Stormbringer in front of me-I dont see any Prog Albums!Confused




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 16:27
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

There's more prog in Purple's output than in Uriah Heep's. In fact, you could compare Purple to a lot of bands in the archives and identify more prog in their output. They initially had the attitude, the virtuosity, the classical influences and the keyboards - but, sadly, no Roger Dean covers. They also well and truly "bought the shark" in the 1980s.

The trouble is, of course, that Purple are ALSO regarded as mainstream rock/first wave of heavy metal - and prog purists don't like that. Mind you, UH are also considered as mainstream rock/first wave of heavy metal by many rock pundits.

Therefore, Purple have as much if not slightly more right to be in the archives than Heep. The comparison is a completely valid one, as UH also produced many (excellent) singles-orientated rock songs - "Carry On", "Sweet Lorraine", "Easy Living", etc, but never had the virtuosity of Purple.

It's equally valid to compare Queen to UH, as, I believe, Queen got the basic ideas for their outstanding harmonies from the "Heep choir".

The biggest hurdle to overcome is prog purists the world over.

 

 

Have to disagree with you on the prog tendencies I feel Uriah Heep In Demons and Magician leant more into this area but have to agree with you on the musicianship but in the vocals great as Gillan was I prefer the Byron.I also loved the Byron/Hensley harmonies.But these two great British rock bands will be indelibly stamped in my mind with 'In Rock' one of rock's greatest treasures.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 08:02
I never seem to agree with you certifiable
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 07:56

Hmm. I find Reed's argument to be along the lines of "DP aren't prog, ergo they aren't prog"

Heavy metal crosses over into prog at almost all stages of it's development. Heavy metal bands frequently produce(d) music that could easily be considered as prog - given that progressive rock appears to be a member of the same peer group. 

Like prog, metal plundered other genres (particularly Baroque music) for additional inspiration - but didn't mind "stooping" to raid the coffers of "lowly" popular genres, such as reggae, funk - or even rap, when that genre became popular.

I don't want to go down the genre path, as the argument is fruitless - you can describe DP as hard rock, sophisticated heavy rock or whatever, but heavy metal or progressive metal is as equally valid a term. I take heavy metal to be the root, as opposed to heavy/hard rock - which is the more "no-frills" stuff.

Judas Priest's "Sad Wings of Destiny" is a classic example of progressive metal - no way would I try to argue that it's a prog album, but it seems to be giving the prog thing a damn good go in places. I would accept it as progressive metal over "Images and Words".

To me, Deep Purple are progressive metal (at least, the early stuff!) - which I don't see as a subgenre of prog rock, but a related genre in its own right.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 07:22
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Stop this now!!!!


I love Deep Purple,I am a 30 odd year fan-but they are not,I REPEAT,NOT,a prog rock band!!!They absorbed elements from the prog scene at that time but at heart they're still an electric blues heavy rock band and so are the equally wonderful Led Zep. I love Rainbow too,but I think you are confusing their love of keyboards,and Blackmore's plundering of Classical Music with true progressive rock.


Since You've Been Gone? Long Live RockNRoll???? LOL


Dont make me larf.Confused


Stargazer,Gates Of Babylon etc are not Prog Rock tracks,but they are wonderful examples of more sophisticated heavy rock.Big smile





Well put, Reed.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 05:41

There's more prog in Purple's output than in Uriah Heep's. In fact, you could compare Purple to a lot of bands in the archives and identify more prog in their output. They initially had the attitude, the virtuosity, the classical influences and the keyboards - but, sadly, no Roger Dean covers. They also well and truly "bought the shark" in the 1980s.

The trouble is, of course, that Purple are ALSO regarded as mainstream rock/first wave of heavy metal - and prog purists don't like that. Mind you, UH are also considered as mainstream rock/first wave of heavy metal by many rock pundits.

Therefore, Purple have as much if not slightly more right to be in the archives than Heep. The comparison is a completely valid one, as UH also produced many (excellent) singles-orientated rock songs - "Carry On", "Sweet Lorraine", "Easy Living", etc, but never had the virtuosity of Purple.

It's equally valid to compare Queen to UH, as, I believe, Queen got the basic ideas for their outstanding harmonies from the "Heep choir".

The biggest hurdle to overcome is prog purists the world over.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2005 at 03:32

Originally posted by alan_pfeifer alan_pfeifer wrote:

I think that for artists who create so much debate, that they should be added to the archives under the Various Artists section.  Saves us a helluva lot of debates.

absolutely right-ho

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 19:30
I think that for artists who create so much debate, that they should be added to the archives under the Various Artists section.  Saves us a helluva lot of debates.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 18:50

Originally posted by Rob The Good Rob The Good wrote:

Really though, after producing Child In Time, Smoke on the Water and Highway Star....where do you go?

 

I always thought Book of Taliesyn was kinda prog, perhaps just in the psychedelic fashion.

 

But Deep Purple in progarchives? No. In almost every band suggested to be added, it's the same as the case with Purple. Many bands "progress" out of progressive rock to become rock bands.

Funny that.

 

 

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btw Rob, what's with the crowley avatar now?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 18:41
Really though, after producing Child In Time, Smoke on the Water and Highway Star....where do you go?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 18:05
Don't get me wrong, I love Deep Purple.

Saw them tour Stormbringer.

Live in Japan has to be one of the best live albums ever.

But...

I went to see Peter Frampton, who amazingly, was supporting Deep Purple last year. They were awful, just terrible. Peter Frampton was so good it was a shame most of the people there were too interested in getting enough beer inside them to see his performance.

It's time for Deep Purple to pack it in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 16:42

Originally posted by lostrom lostrom wrote:

No, no, no.....once again, friends, please read our posts! Like I said, the question really is if Uriah Heep shouldn't be removed, not if DP should be put in. Two wrongs doesn't make a right, u know. Only pure prog, there r other sites on the net for the rest. Cheers

Exactly! the argument that "if Uriah Heep is here, then Purple should be too" is invalid, and seems to equate two different bands. (When I ask a young college student to stop talking, and he responds along the lines of "but Billy is talking too" he is responding like a child.)Stern Smile

 

Each potential band should be examined on its OWN attributes and output, IMO.

Purple aren't prog.Thumbs Down

Fine classic hard rock, though!Cool

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 16:33
No, no, no.....once again, friends, please read our posts! Like I said, the question really is if Uriah Heep shouldn't be removed, not if DP should be put in. Two wrongs doesn't make a right, u know. Only pure prog, there r other sites on the net for the rest. Cheers
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 16:30

Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

As much as I love Purple bless them, I grew up with 'In Rock' one of rock's defining albums ,but they are not and cannot be called Prog.Uriah Heep leant more to prog in many ways and I loved them even more but again they are not prog.Too many bands are being pitched forward on this site as prog when they are plainly not!!!!!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 16:26
As much as I love Purple bless them, I grew up with 'In Rock' one of rock's defining albums ,but they are not and cannot be called Prog.Uriah Heep leant more to prog in many ways and I loved them even more but again they are not prog.Too many bands are being pitched forward on this site as prog when they are plainly not!!!!!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 15:53
DP are a nice band, but not prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 15:43

Undoubtedly yes they should be here- I was going to post a thread on their inclusion myself- it seems wrong to me how bands like Warhorse (a DP spin off!!) and Quatermass, both of whom it has to be said are very Purple-esque.

Check out 'Deep Purple In Rock' again and check out 'Child In Time'- this is pure prog rock in my opinion, and one of the finest songs of the genre. However, Deep Purple's brilliance is unquestionable anyway, and I needn't preach their greatness.

Rainbow too have had very proggy moments; even if the inferior Graham Bonnet/ Joe Lynn Turner era Rainbow were more successful commercially, musically they didn't come close to the progressiveness of the Dio era music.

'Stargazer' is a stunner of a track, and check out 'Light In The Black' for superb proggy interplay between Ritchie Blackmore and Tony Carey. Also, classics 'Catch The Rainbow' and 'Gates Of Babylon' definitely betray a prog influence.

So, both Deep Purple and Rainbow deserve a place on this site, in my opinion.

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