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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2005 at 02:57
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

I don't want to be violent, dear Reed. But this is crap. Mp3 and others compressed digital formats are the worst thing ever. But if you're happy like that, great! You save a lot of money. Everything is not expensive in HIFI. I can advice you an english budget but musical system made of Nad electronics, Mission Loudspeakers and Qed cables. 400 £ for the whole system


We've already discussed this Oliver!!!Tongue


I like music "on the move" so I have an MP3 player!How else do you do this???????????


My set up for "proper listening" is budget but very good:


Arcam CD72T CD PlayerNad C350 AmpBi-Wired B&W 602 S2 speakers on Atacama stands.Ecosse interconnects/Chord Speaker cable.


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Yes, your system is not bad, reed.

I'm fighting against mp3 cause this is very sad that
we are in a more and more numeric world.
Cd, and even worst mp3 is a very bad way to reproduce music.
So, i consider myself a resistant



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Points: 4097 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2005 at 05:59
Originally posted by Fitzcarraldo Fitzcarraldo wrote:

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So you've bought a FLAC player? Which model did you buy? The iAudio that I told you about a while back?

What does it sound like? Can you tell the difference between MP3/OGG/WMA tracks at e.g. 192kbps and the same track recorded using FLAC or WAV?

 

Due to money restraints I haven't bought it and aren't likely to for a while - my guess is that in the future there'll be more support for flac although presumably it'll still remain on the fringes.
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Points: 5187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 17 2005 at 09:55
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by Fitzcarraldo Fitzcarraldo wrote:

It's pointless slamming MP3/WMA/OGG until someone can come up with something better for use on the move (aeroplane, boat, train, etc.).

I'll slam anything I want now I know they make lossless players .

My Creative jukebox plays .wav files-that's lossless isnt it?



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By lossless I mean lossless compressed - FLAC, SHN, APE and a few million other formats.
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All these crappy numeric formats are rotten!

Forget this crappy numeric and run to buy as much as (good)vynils as you can.
It's the only thing to do!



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Points: 5187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2005 at 17:43

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

All these crappy numeric formats are rotten!

Forget this crappy numeric and run to buy as much as (good)vynils as you can.
It's the only thing to do!



But Oliver,you mad French Audiosnob.How the freeking hell do you get a big eff-off turntable,a tube amp and a couple of floorstanders onto a plane for a 12 hour trip?

You need MP3 for this.Confused

Sometimes you are thicker than my grandmothers discharge!Wink



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This is not snobism.

Ok, this is not for a road trip.

i would take a good old walkman in which i would put a k7 recorded from a vynil on a naka 1000 zxl, for example.

Numeric is crap!

I it too big?


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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

This is not snobism.

Ok, this is not for a road trip.

i would take a good old walkman in which i would put a k7 recorded from a vynil on a naka 1000 zxl, for example.

Numeric is crap!

I it too big?


We are all searching for that perfect transparent system Oliver.

However the love of music is stronger than the need to fuss about the overall quality of the music format.I used to be like you and it can drive you to distraction.
Why dont you write a couple of posts suggesting a budget system and a mid-price system.Aim at first for UK forum members and European ones.Search the internet for prices and give them in £ and €.Explain about cabling,stands and positioning.
And stop belittling other formats,just accept that people can tolerate them better than you.Big smile



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Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

This is not snobism. Ok, this is not for a road trip. i would take a good old walkman in which i would put a k7 recorded from a vynil on a naka 1000 zxl, for example. Numeric is crap! I it too big?


We are all searching for that perfect transparent system Oliver.


However the love of music is stronger than the need to fuss about the overall quality of the music format.I used to be like you and it can drive you to distraction.Why dont you write a couple of posts suggesting a budget system and a mid-price system.Aim at first for UK forum members and European ones.Search the internet for prices and give them in £ and €.Explain about cabling,stands and positioning.And stop belittling other formats,just accept that people can tolerate them better than you.Big smile


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I just want people to realize how horrible it is that we are "numerized" and how bad it is, for image (video), and even worst, for sound.
I have already presented several times the smallest budget musical system (100% english btw) made of Nad Cd player and integrated amp with Mission loudspeakers and QED cables.

And you have not to search for the perfect musical system. (you said "transparent")

It already exists:

And this is not with a crappy numeric source, even SACD
(its even worst!)













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Points: 5187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 11:56

Interesting,but I would go with CD before tape and so would 99.9999999999% of all sensible people.
I have a Marantz Cd recorder to replace my Phillips one,the copies are superb,far,far better than tape! IMHO

 



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You are right,Marantz burners are good, and even the better.
And it has nothing to do with a computer copy.

But you are wrong with tape: a good k7 deck destroys very expensive CD players!!





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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

I just want people to realize how horrible it is that we are "numerized" and how bad it is, for image (video), and even worst, for sound.

Hang on, analogue images don't make any sense if they're to be watched on a TV. a CRT screen has to be at least partially digital, because the screen's divided up into pixels! Unless you're talking about using projectors and suchlike?
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 13:54
Just compare the Hertzian TV to the numeric satellite tv image...

Argentic photo is far better for colours than numeric photo.

like for sound, the numerisation involves a loss of information.
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iPods are an evil device.  Their battery is designed to die after about 12-18 months, and then they charge you 80 dollars/pounds (depending where you are, though i think they charge the same dollars as they do pounds) for a new one.  An extremely devious and borederline legal tactic to extort money out of the unsuspecting consumer.

Get ANYTHING other than an iPod.
We Lost the Skyline............


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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2005 at 14:33
THIS IS NOT EVEL

this is DIVINE




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that does look quite snazzy, wanna buy me one
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Scottish (good) turntable, Linn LP12:

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Some useful sites for users of players:

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/

http://www.freedb.org/

http://www.id3-tagit.de/english/index.htm

http://www.jriver.com/ (despite the name, a media player for various makes of player)

http://www.mediamonkey.com/index.htm

http://mp3bookhelper.sourceforge.net/modules.php?name=Downlo ads

http://www.abyssaudio.com/

http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/listen.html

http://winlame.sourceforge.net/index.php

Specifically iRiver:

http://www.misticriver.net/ (for iRiver enthusiasts)

http://www.iriver.com/index.asp (iRiver global home for users of iRiver players)

http://www.shredzone.de/projects/ifish/ (excellent db manager for iRiver H series players - better than iRiver's db Manager)
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For those of you with H1xx series iRiver players, it is now possible to play music files encoded using FLAC and other lossless compression methods. Check out the Open Source Rockbox software project here:

http://www.rockbox.org/

You can compare the features of iRiver's H1xx series firmware with the RockBox alternative here:

http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison

And you can read the FAQ on installing and using RockBox on iRiver H1xx players here:

http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ

There are also many threads about using Rockbox on iRiver players on the MisticRiver Web site (http://www.misticriver.net/). According to these threads, many people have been using Rockbox on H1xx iRiver players for many months and finding it a good alternative to iRiver's own firmware. I'm not about to re-rip all my music to FLAC (it's all in MP3 format at the moment) but, if you are thinking of getting a player that supports lossless codecs, then a secondhand iRiver H1xx plus Rockbox may be worth considering.

 

 
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Just compare the Hertzian TV to the numeric satellite tv image...

Argentic photo is far better for colours than numeric photo.

like for sound, the numerisation involves a loss of information.

And video cassette looks better than DVD too I guess
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