Author |
Topic Search Topic Options
|
James Lee
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: June 05 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3525
|
Posted: April 14 2005 at 05:40 |
So my wife and I decided to rent "Exorcist: The Beginning". We would have seen it in the theater, but it was in and out so fast we missed it. We're both pretty tolerant of bad horror films, love the original, and foolishly didn't believe it could possibly be as bad as "Exorcist II: The Heretic".
So when the credits rolled at the end, we were almost speechless at how crappy the movie had been...and just then, like a kick in the balls from your opponent when you're already down, the words "Music by Trevor Rabin" flashed across the screen.
The man is made of cheese. It's debatable whether everything he touches turns bland, slick, and artistically limp, or if his projects happen to already be tainted before he even gets to them...but it's like he brings a little of the worst parts of the 80s with him wherever he goes.
|
|
|
Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 16130
|
Posted: April 14 2005 at 05:24 |
Never rated him as a songwriter,although, Trotsky, I do remember 'Lift me up' from Union. Always liked that song in a kind of cheesy, 'lets all hold our lighters aloft' kind of way.
Yes were a better band with Steve Howe IMO, its as simple as that. Rabin is a good musician, but he's not on the Yes wavelength that most of us are. They were a different and less interesteing band with him. But, its the old Phil Collins principle; I think its unfair to blame him for Yes 'dumbing down' in the 80's. It must have been what they all wanted.
Even Rick Wakemen thought 90125 was a great album, which saved Yes's life. He always looked back wishing he could have been involved with that album.
|
Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
|
|
Trotsky
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: October 25 2004
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Points: 2771
|
Posted: April 14 2005 at 02:15 |
Wow, I have never heard such nice things about Rabin's guitar playing ...
He's definitely my least favourite guitarist to play for a major prog band ... as a creative player, I don't rate him anywhere near the levels of Howe, Hackett, Fripp, Gary Green, Martin Barre, Mick Abrahams, Dave Gilmour and the like ...
But of course, Rabin happened to come along at a different time ... maybe a fairer comparison would be compare 90125 to GTR, Asia and some of the Tull 80s albums like Under Wraps ... in which case he doesn't come off too badly ... Incidentally I belong to a select minority who thinks that Rabin's best work is actually on the Union album ... (remember Lift Me Up and Miracle of Life)
It's still hard to forgive the man for some of the things he's done ... Big Generator was bad enough ... but have you heard him murder I've Seen All Good People (this was from a mid 80s live concert where Anderson and Kaye looked like they were dressed up to take part in an aerobics workout!)? Awful, truly awful
|
"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
|
|
tuxon
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 21 2004
Location: plugged-in
Status: Offline
Points: 5502
|
Posted: April 14 2005 at 01:52 |
I like the 90125 album, have to agree with Cesar Inca about that album, with wakeman on board, or another great keyboard player, and some better arrangements it could have been more than the popclassic it became. Mind you, that Tony Kaye wasn't fully aboard also, there was another keyboardist involved aswel (forgot his name), Tony started it, left and returned again at a later stage replacing the intermediate keyboardist. If anyone know the full storie, please reply
Back on track to Trevor rabin. Trevor was/is a good guitarist and I like most of his guitarwork on the Yes albums he participated in. On 90125 he was very good, also Talk was a reasonable good effort, He lackes IMO the sophistication in his writing to bring about the magic that was there in the early to mid seventies. But he's not alone to blame for the decline in (progressive) quality. For some reason he became something of a foreman in the band, writing and producing most of the material. Either Jon or Chris should have stepped in, and take artistic control.
|
I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
|
|
KeyserSoze
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 09 2005
Location: Czech Republic
Status: Offline
Points: 228
|
Posted: April 14 2005 at 00:12 |
Yes, another good theme for flaming I really DO like Trevon Rabin. I like his style - it's completely different from Howe's and I really enjoy "90125". I like Howe's guitar as well of course - saw him the last year in Prague, Czech Republic and he was just incredible. I don't mind that some songs from "90125" are radio friendly. They're still very smart with great musicianship. And who is a better guitarist? Nah, I don't care...........
|
|
illustrated
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 19 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 352
|
Posted: April 14 2005 at 00:02 |
|
|
Peter
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: January 31 2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 9669
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 23:24 |
danbo wrote:
Trevor Rabin is an extremely talented guitarist/singer/producer/arranger...... I enjoyed his music with Yes, a little too commercial maybe, but still better than 90% of radio fare. |
^ Listen what the man said.
Saw him live on the Big Degenerator tour -- a terrific guitarist, no doubt. (His extended classical guitar solo was especially impressive.)
Really: would the boys have hired him, otherwise?
Edited by Peter
|
"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
|
|
Rob The Good
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 17 2004
Location: New Zealand
Status: Offline
Points: 476
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 23:16 |
Trevor Rabin is a good solid musician. He's no Howe, but who is?
|
And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
|
|
Guests
Forum Guest Group
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 23:10 |
Rabin is a multi talented professional, starting out in South Africa in the early/mid 70's. Yes he is more pop orientated but he did revitalize Yes when Jon Anderson was busy conversing with cherubs and celestial companions. 90125 was a great album but the album output did deteriorate somewhat after that with him in it. Can't blame him soley for that though.
he is now make more money than the Yes boys doing soundtracks for some really big box office movies.
|
|
Cesar Inca
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: May 19 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 4888
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 21:58 |
He's a very good rock writer, with a slight sensibility toward the textures and pompousity of prog rock, but not an integral progger. That's why he eventually "contaminated" the yes sound for the 80s. Maybe he should have restricted himself to writing and let the others make the arrangements (well, Squire wasn't at his top moment as a writer, and as aperformer he chose the road of merely backing Rabin's riffs). There were so many good ideas in the "90125" album, but with a wrong keyboardist back in the fold and a bassist suffering from creative crisis... ummm... Eddie Jobson was a better option. On the other hand, White was in big shape, expressing his rocking ego with total strength. Imagine that, a phase in Yes history when White is the best old musician and all the spotlight is focused on a great musician who never managed to fully see himself as a part of yes, really. Now, Imagine songs like 'Changes', 'Hearts', 'Final Eyes' and 'I'm Running' with Wakeman and Howe in the band -- they would have introduced more varied keyboard textures and solos, mandolin, pedal steel. Anderson's voice became the sole link between the 80s Yes and the essence rooted in the past. I prefer "Drama", although a wrong vocalist was in the fold by then.
Regards.
|
|
Arsillus
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 26 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 7374
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 21:55 |
Rabin has skill and talent, but what he's good at, I don't particularly enjoy (pop music); I try to give him credit where it's due. But he can't touch Howe.
Even though he's good, I still don't like all the pop stuff Yes did.
|
|
Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19535
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 21:34 |
Trevor Rabin is to Yes what Phil Collins was to Genesis, both are talented musicians but POP oriented and lead their respective bands to release the worst albums of their careers.
Iván
Edited by ivan_2068
|
|
|
Cygnus X-2
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 24 2004
Location: Bucketheadland
Status: Offline
Points: 21342
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 20:44 |
I like him, he sure as hell ain't no Howe, though. He got Yes their first number 1 and ultimately left them slit at the neck with Big Generator . Other than that album, I really do enjoy his work with Yes, and his solo career as well.
|
|
|
Reed Lover
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
Status: Offline
Points: 5187
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 18:15 |
Trevor Rabin is a very-talented guy.
"Jack-of-all-Trades" probably sums him up!
90125 is a very strange album for a prog band to have released and this was probably Rabin's commercial sensibilities shining through!
|
|
|
Ben2112
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 15 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 870
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 18:08 |
I'm probably in the minority in that I thought 90125 was a very very good album. Yes, it's pop, but if all pop in the 80's sounded like this album, it would have been a great decade! However, I have never liked Trevor personally. I think he is an excellent guitarist and a good writer/singer, he just rubs me the wrong way somehow. Bit of a pretty boy I guess
|
|
Dan Bobrowski
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 02 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5243
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 16:49 |
Trevor Rabin is an extremely talented guitarist/singer/producer/arranger...... I enjoyed his music with Yes, a little too commercial maybe, but still better than 90% of radio fare.
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 15:08 |
Rhayader wrote:
I was just wondering what everyone here thought of Trevor Rabin.
Personally, I like him. I think he is an excellent songwriter and while he isn't one the best guitarists around, he is still quite good. He is definetly not as good as Steve Howe, but I like his playing style and also he has a very nice sounding voice with a good range. I also admire him for his work on film soundtracks, such as Con Air. So what do you think?
Apologies if this has been done before, but I'm new
|
I agree with both of you guys, but I think he is as good or nearly as good as Howe, just different.I like Big G personally, but thats my problem
|
|
|
Hangedman
Prog Reviewer
Joined: November 03 2004
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 1261
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 14:47 |
I dont mind him, he did revatalize yes (although that revitalization was ultimately a flop, big generator) good guitarist, good singer, good glory!
|
|
Rhayader
Forum Groupie
Joined: April 12 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 79
|
Posted: April 13 2005 at 14:22 |
I was just wondering what everyone here thought of Trevor Rabin.
Personally, I like him. I think he is an excellent songwriter and while
he isn't one the best guitarists around, he is still quite good. He is
definetly not as good as Steve Howe, but I like his playing style and
also he has a very nice sounding voice with a good range. I also admire
him for his work on film soundtracks, such as Con Air. So what do you
think?
Apologies if this has been done before, but I'm new
Edited by Rhayader
|
"Sadder still to watch you die than never to have known it..."
Rush - Losing It
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.