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Aaron 
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 Topic: Blind Guardian - prog metal?
Posted: May 14 2004 at 12:29 |
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Would you consider Blind Guardian's most recent
albums prog metal?
i was originally going to say yes, but then,
considering their live performances, i guess i would
say no
i guess it depends, there studio albums are prog to
me anyways
Aaron
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diddy
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 12:35 |
I would say NO in ANY case...
I was listening to them some years ago when I didn't know what Prog could be (shame on me) and I was mainly listening to Metal and Classic Rock (Led Zep, Deep Purple and Uriah Heep)...I sold all their albums on eBay or gave them to my brother...
I consider them to be Heavy Metal not more...no prog...there are even people who don't consider Dream Theater as prog and I wonder why but it's the same for me with BG...no prog for me...
edit: and especially because their main formula for success are the bombastic refrains, there's no song without a refrain and all songs sound nearly the same, normal metal...
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semismart
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Posted: May 14 2004 at 17:15 |
 diddy wrote:
edit: and especially because their main formula for success are the bombastic refrains, there's no song without a refrain and all songs sound nearly the same, normal metal...
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Give me a break!  What normal metal you been listening to?  Nightwish? Therion? 
I would say B.G. is a fusion of Power Metal and Symphonic Metal, which I'll argue all day is a subgenre of Progressive Metal! 
Standard or "normal" Heavy Metal artists would include Metallica, Megadeth, Rage, Monster Magnet etc. Don't sound like B.G. to me!
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Joren
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 13:47 |
semismart wrote:
diddy wrote:
edit: and especially because their main formula for success are the bombastic refrains, there's no song without a refrain and all songs sound nearly the same, normal metal...
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Give me a break! What normal metal you been listening to? Nightwish? Therion?
I would say B.G. is a fusion of Power Metal and Symphonic Metal, which I'll argue all day is a subgenre of Progressive Metal!
Standard or "normal" Heavy Metal artists would include Metallica, Megadeth, Rage, Monster Magnet etc. Don't sound like B.G. to me!
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Now YOU give ME a break, diddy! Monster Magnet is NOT normal metal! It's stoner rock!
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diddy
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Posted: May 15 2004 at 14:16 |
Hmmm...Guys...I wasn't this accurate...with "normal Metal" I just meant that it is NO Prog for me, I meant all other metal sub-genres except prog metal, that's it, I don't want to argue wich band plays wich sub-genre...that's unnecessary...
BTW, did I hurt someone by saying that BG is not prog for me or why do you use this emoticon ???
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 04:44 |
me? just because you said MM was normal metal.. and you used the emoticon too.. I was just joking
For Blind Guardian.. I don't know their music.. I remember downloading a track and finding it boring. That's all
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diddy
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 08:02 |
Joren wrote:
me? just because you said MM was normal metal.. and you used the emoticon too.. I was just joking
For Blind Guardian.. I don't know their music.. I remember downloading a track and finding it boring. That's all
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No, please look, I did't use the emoticon, I did't say that MM is normal metal, I don't even KNOW MM...It was semismart (who also quoted me)...Why do you think I said all this, I don't know MM or Therion, it wasn't me...
I'm totally confused now is this an error?
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 08:37 |
I don't know why some people consider bands like therion and nightwish as progmetal in the first place..
Its just something like gothicmetal.. like within temptation, autumn etc. ( the Olookatourfemaleleadsingerinherbigdress- metal)
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 09:04 |
diddy wrote:
Joren wrote:
me? just because you said MM was normal metal.. and you used the emoticon too.. I was just joking
For Blind Guardian.. I don't know their music.. I remember downloading a track and finding it boring. That's all
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No, please look, I did't use the emoticon, I did't say that MM is normal metal, I don't even KNOW MM...It was semismart (who also quoted me)...Why do you think I said all this, I don't know MM or Therion, it wasn't me...
I'm totally confused now is this an error?
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yes, that was an error, I should've taunted semismart (you pigdogs! )
whatever... 
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 09:04 |
Radioactive Toy wrote:
I don't know why some people consider bands like therion and nightwish as progmetal in the first place..
Its just something like gothicmetal.. like within temptation, autumn etc. ( the Olookatourfemaleleadsingerinherbigdress- metal)
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Olookatourfemaleleadsingerinherbigdress
LOL! sounds familiar! 
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diddy
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 09:46 |
Joren wrote:
yes, that was an error, I should've taunted semismart (you pigdogs! )
whatever...
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Now I really breathe a sigh of relief
I don't know MM or Therion. I heard of Nightwish and Within Tamptation (My brother loves these "Olookatourfemaleleadsingerinherbigdress-Bands") But NEVER considered them to be prog...isn't this genre called Gothic Metal? No Idea!
I was listening to Blind Guardian, Manowar (yes, shame on me), My Dying Bride, Savatage (also often considered to be prog), Iron Maiden, Anathema and Opeth in my "Pre-Prog-Era" (amongst the whole Classic Rock Led Zep Uriah Hepp Stuff of course)...Opeth and some Savatage is all that survived the change...and Opeth is still one of my favorite bands...
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 13:45 |
Yes, Savatage is in the archives...
and, of course ManOwaR should be added soon!
OTHER BANDS PLAY, MANOWAR KILL!
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 13:50 |
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You are right Joren!! let's turn it to derision!
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diddy
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 14:09 |
Joren wrote:
Yes, Savatage is in the archives...
and, of course ManOwaR should be added soon!
OTHER BANDS PLAY, MANOWAR KILL!
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you won't believe it, I really HATE them now...I can't stand them anymore...yes some years ago I liked them, but I was young and had no Idea
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semismart
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 22:33 |
Joren wrote:
semismart wrote:
diddy wrote:
edit: and especially because their main formula for success are the bombastic refrains, there's no song without a refrain and all songs sound nearly the same, normal metal...
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Give me a break! What normal metal you been listening to? Nightwish? Therion?
I would say B.G. is a fusion of Power Metal and Symphonic Metal, which I'll argue all day is a subgenre of Progressive Metal!
Standard or "normal" Heavy Metal artists would include Metallica, Megadeth, Rage, Monster Magnet etc. Don't sound like B.G. to me!
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Now YOU give ME a break, diddy! Monster Magnet is NOT normal metal! It's stoner rock!
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Well as an fellow Ayreon fan I must respectfully disagree. There must be two Monster Magnets! The one I'm talking about is nothing but guitars(metal) and drums. . However, I thought maybe my ears deceived me so I looked them up on AMG and my Monster Magnet was listed as follows:
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semismart
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Posted: May 16 2004 at 22:40 |
diddy wrote:
Hmmm...Guys...I wasn't this accurate...with "normal Metal" I just meant that it is NO Prog for me, I meant all other metal sub-genres except prog metal, that's it, I don't want to argue wich band plays wich sub-genre...that's unnecessary...
BTW, did I hurt someone by saying that BG is not prog for me or why do you use this emoticon ??? |
Hey Partner, That was me Semismart, short for Semismartass. I used the emo symbol as strong disagreement! that doesn't mean I want to fight or anything. Everybody, is entitled to their own opinion.
Ciao, OMM (Old Man Metal)
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diddy
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 05:54 |
semismart wrote:
diddy wrote:
Hmmm...Guys...I wasn't this accurate...with "normal Metal" I just meant that it is NO Prog for me, I meant all other metal sub-genres except prog metal, that's it, I don't want to argue wich band plays wich sub-genre...that's unnecessary...
BTW, did I hurt someone by saying that BG is not prog for me or why do you use this emoticon ??? |
Hey Partner, That was me Semismart, short for Semismartass. I used the emo symbol as strong disagreement! that doesn't mean I want to fight or anything. Everybody, is entitled to their own opinion.
Ciao, OMM (Old Man Metal)
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 06:32 |
Semismart, you should really check out Monster Magnet's self-titled debut EP. There's some great psychedelic rock on there. Mix between Hawkiwind and Black Sabbath I think!
And, diddy, I have two albums by Manowar, I used to like them, especially their debut.. but I don't listen to metal very often now..
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semismart
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Posted: May 17 2004 at 18:10 |
Joren wrote:
Semismart, you should really check out Monster Magnet's self-titled debut EP. There's some great psychedelic rock on there. Mix between Hawkiwind and Black Sabbath I think!
And, diddy, I have two albums by Manowar, I used to like them, especially their debut.. but I don't listen to metal very often now..
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Thanks I'll do that. 
By the way, I am in awe of BG's fifteen minute song And Then There Was Silence. I Think BG sounds a lot like Queen on this and other songs. Anybody agree? 
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