Mirror Image wrote: richardhA lot of people like the earlier DT material when they were not just trying to play a million notes a minute and actually wrote some very passable songs. Its a matter of taste. The problem with DT is the material not the quality of playing. Exactly. A band can have the technical proficiency of virtuosos but if the songwriting isn't good, then I'm not interested, which is my problem with progressive metal in general. [/QUOTE wrote: ^

richardhA lot of people like the earlier DT material when they were not just trying to play a million notes a minute and actually wrote some very passable songs. Its a matter of taste. The problem with DT is the material not the quality of playing.[/QUOTE wrote: Exactly. A band can have the technical proficiency of virtuosos but if the songwriting isn't good, then I'm not interested, which is my problem with progressive metal in general.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: dr wu23 wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!      That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.   I'll flat out say it. I dislike most of their material

I think that Porcupine Tree's Signify should have a much higher rating, all of Gojiras albums should be rated higher as well, but I understand that people really dislike harsh vocals here so no biggie.

moshkito wrote: dr wu23 wrote:     That's one of those loud prog metal bands I dislike...er,,, I mean have trouble appreciating.     I saw them with Queensryche, and at the time, DT was still playing like they had something to prove and they really made QR look like a cheap hit/radio rock band.   The musicianship, in DT, was far and away better than the pretentious rock band that played a few things that supposedly made them a better band (and the "main attraction") than all the others. All in all, even Fates Warning made QR look poor. and their material is far more difficult to do and challenging on a stage!   DT is not perfect, but if Mike was playing a violin, instead of a loud guitar, we would be gushing all over it, and say that it would be one of the best bands ever. I don't think they are the best, but they are very good, and one has to be crazy to not know/understand and appreciate the musicianship involved. FAR and FAR better than so many rock bands, including some listed in the top 100 for PA!   But yeah ... sometimes the "metal" side of it seems too much. But the wird side of it is that I still do not hear "metal" in it. I hear some incredible work going on in the notes, chords and interplay. But, I guess that I forgot that, it is not what the "progressive archives bored" is all about. It doesn't sound like Genesis or ELP and therefore it's merde, or is this just another word for "metal"?

Edited by richardh - August 17 2014 at 02:29

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Wait, wait, wait. I got another one that is rater high but I don't understand why. The music is embarrassing, the lyrics and story line are one dimensional. Boring!!!

Animals. Extremely formulaic album. The three songs are structurally almost identical - and harmonically, too (I can't imagine how David Gilmour didn't get bored playing an entire album in E-, although then again, I suppose he did and that contributed to the now-legendary friction). I personally feel that the performances are a little uninspired as well. The band doesn't seem to gel all that well, and there's nothing really interesting happening there - and that talkbox solo on Pigs has got to be one of the most masturbatory things the band's committed to tape since, oh wow, probably the Saucerful days.

We are back to the ratings game again.....maybe we should turn the thread into the 'how are ratings arrived at and why and what really is prog rock after all', since that never gets old.