The Black Codex (NL) for Symphonic Prog

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Ivan, I'm not sure why you're discussing this. Decision made and move on. He's never going to agree with you. He's had more than fair input.

amatala wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Well, Musicbrainz is a site related with Wikipedia not specializaed in Prog and for anybody to edit, Prog Archives is the reference for any Prog site, so we must be doing our job well. Quoting any source outside of PA is an exercise in futility anyway, I was just curious what reason to discard it you would find this time and I must say I was not disappointed!

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amatala wrote: Well, none of those should be listed under VARIOUS ARTISTS as they do belong to one single main artist and they are not compilations. If you don't listen to users like me, at least have a look at established references like Musicbrainz - none of those albums is listed as VA or COMPILATION on MB... http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/4dde8825-d003-3365-bc7d-41d5f2693d0f http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/0f8a9224-b44e-41d7-b395-c7f8b3b55296 http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/b9e6d9f7-0162-43de-9c51-25c1ca5bcb93

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 14 2015 at 11:39

mogol wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: OK: I received EXPRESS authorization from a member of the Adm Team to add The Black Codex to VARIOUS ARTISTS (CONCEPT ALBUMS & THEMED COMPILATIONS) Will be added next week if no complains. Iván IMHO it's a mistake. There is no various artists in this project, so you are creating a dangerous precedent, which may cause a lot of headache in the future. If Black Codex is accepted as progressive rock artist, then it should be added to one of the usual subgenres, otherwise - just close this thread and forget it.

OK: I received EXPRESS authorization from a member of the Adm Team to add The Black Codex to VARIOUS ARTISTS (CONCEPT ALBUMS & THEMED COMPILATIONS)

amatala wrote: The reason I did not want initially to have these albums added to Chris's page was because Chris stated that the correct artist name is The Black Codex, not Chris. Moreover, Chris is currently listed as Neo-prog and this project clearly is not Neo-prog, that much we can all agree upon. So I was hoping for a more accurate listing for this album. But since that is no longer possible, I can add these albums to Chris's page with the artist name between brackets e.g. Episodes 1-14 (The Black Codex), if everyone is happy with this workaround and be done with this discussion.

Well, it's time to talk clear.

GeorgVoros wrote: Hi Ivan Thanks for the quick reply and taking the time to list a short review of the individual tracks. I see your reasoning and agree. :) I'm not too precious about the albums music to be unrealistic and stubborn.  I am happy that you recognized the underlying Prog element in For Johann as that track was recorded with a different approach. I do slightly disagree about the second track Trio Sonata as I think it has many Prog elements as well and hints more towards ELP than the Ventures - but that is the wonderful thing about opinions as they are personal. I respect what you have said. Yes, the rest of the album is more Classical Rock with perhaps some Prog elements here and there. For Johann by the way is just me and Duncan Mackay and will be the general direction of a collaborative album that we begin work on very soon. When this is released I look forward to what you think about it.  Thanks again for being objective and real. Keep well. Georg

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 08 2015 at 12:33

amatala wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: How are we ever to know where you're coming from? For all we know you could be a hip hop producer out of Brussels who's heard exactly three prog albums from the 70s. If that were the case, then it'd be a crazy move to include you in the decisions-making.  I never said you have to include me (or any user) in the decision making process. I was just suggesting a voting system where the votes would only be visible to the teams as guidelines. If enough users vote in a certain direction, then they may be onto something there... You know what they say: "If enough people tell you that you're drunk, then maybe you should go to bed!" And btw, I am a hip hop producer from Brussels, you got me there! Anyone recommend some good Prog?

If it is vital for this project to be regarded as prog, their best call would be to send promos out to the big and/or influential prog sites, get it reviewed there, and if the verdict comes out as prog by them then there would be a reason for an appeal to give this one a second run.

Active user interaction on the build of the database isn't a solution I see as viable. For starters it would lead to some confused artist at some point sending new people in to the forums merely to vote them in here. As well as people making fake accounts to get their favorites in: There has been some crazy stuff going on in that department over the years instigated by people either bored, drunk, high or just mentally unstable. Sometimes by people dealing with a combination of several of these factors.

One might like or dislike the system here, but if one think it is failing: Create a new one. It's as simple as that really.

Voicing a dislike for a decision isn't uncalled for, but when the dead horse whipped is well beyond the point of smelling funny, why keep on going? Being the loudmouthed child yelling in the sandpit that "I want it this way" is generally an approach that comes with failure as the end result.