Rather thought the first album refects the times as much as ITTOD well, really didn't. Not disco, punk new wave or metal of any sort, A C and W joke number, some prog, a sophisticated blues, soytern rock and latin music and a touch of heavy rock.

I think the negative view of ITTOD and Never Say Die and so many late 70s albums  says more aout the audience perceptions of their own poular culture environmental change than anything. To take another example ACDC put out the same album every time nad have millins of fans - very reassuring consistency to the rock and roll rebellious crowd. Bit like Tommy Vance (RIP) saying on a doco that Def Leppard will never change (spots?) and he said it as though it were a good thing.

So really it's not so much about music quality as their vhicle for a dislike of changing times -  getting old inside a world where they have to now play catch up. Roughly for the same reasons modern pop is slated and vinyl is actually popular now (when every release probably should be a Blu Ray Audio or the equivalent). We're about 50 years behind our own times now. People should be well happy... living in the past.

Atavachron wrote: I don't care what anyone says, Out Door is a great album, one of their best.

amen brother.

I need to relisten to ITTOD....but it never struck me as being that proggy nor interesting...and most of the  Zep fans I know don't really care for it that much.

I don't know Never Say Die that well apart from the title track. I can remember someone lending it to me at school but I didn't think a lot of it. Probably the most interesting thing apart from the title track was some keyboards from Don Airey. Great keys man.

I love both bands, and both albums. The final proper studio album from LZ. And the final studio album with the original lineup of the Sabs (until last year's reunion album).

Bought both these lps when they first came out.Sabbath came first and I thought it was great lp despite the title track ripping off Thin Lizzy and Hard Road sounding like Status Quo.I thought Juniors Eyes,Johnny Blade ,Air Dance and Over to You were great.Even I thought the dissonant brass on Break out was interesting then leading into Swinging the Chain though sounding unfinished and throwaway was still a thumper.When ITTOD came out I was initially disappointed.My favorites being Carouslambra and All My Love.In the Evening sounds a mess,Fool in the Rain never liked and Hot Dog a messy knees up.But I play the album a lot now and i am a huge zep fan but i am going for the under dog (Never Say Die) on this one,but only just.

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: Neither are any good- but Zeppelin ismy choice

Led Zeppelin -  In Through The Out Door

I've always quite liked Never Say Die.

Logan wrote: The ability to make polls in the Proto-Prog and Prog Related lounge was disabled for some reason, but no worries, I can move this there as easy as custard pie (wrong Zep album, I know).  I think that both bands were excellent additions to Prog Related, and for me they both have music that I would place under the greater progressive rock umbrella.I don't have that Black Sabbath album, so I won't vote, but I have fond memories of Zep's homage to anal sex album, and Carouselambra remains one of my favourite Led Zeppelin tracks.  All those who think otherwise can bugger off.

Hey Logan-thanks for moving it to the proper forum,so now no one should be offended.I actually looked at making the poll here but didn't see the option to make a poll at that time.I thought what the hell i'll put in the prog poll,its just a poll,probaly not interesting to anyone other than myself.Why am i even explaining myself?...I see though one needs to be very proper about the post he or she makes now.I might survive here-its in hands of the prog Gods though.
I really meant no offense to anyone.I'd surely hate to miss out on what Man With Hat is up to-he's my hero.I'll shut up now.....