Is King Crimson really Eclectic Prog?

What a good headline - When does a band become a brand? Sounds like an excellent discussion topic to me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: DiamondDog wrote: I don't see any contradiction in that - whatever band of musicians were brought together, with only Fripp as the constant - I'm sure it was a communal effort, or at least, could be. That doesn't change the fact that the band originally called King Crimson were no longer together, Fripp merely used the label as a selling tool for whatever projects he fancied at the time. So anytime a band changes personnel or breaks up, they should develop a new name? That's what I'm inferring from this.

DiamondDog wrote: I don't see any contradiction in that - whatever band of musicians were brought together, with only Fripp as the constant - I'm sure it was a communal effort, or at least, could be. That doesn't change the fact that the band originally called King Crimson were no longer together, Fripp merely used the label as a selling tool for whatever projects he fancied at the time.

I'm sure 'they' used the name KC because of name recognition and I have no problem with that, but I honestly believe that much of what they did under the KC name was not all Fripp and definitely  a communal effort.

moshkito wrote: Padraic wrote: "progressive rock music discographies from 8,327 bands & artists, 42,059 albums" Any volunteers want to get started?   All depends how serious and willing you are!   The rest is easy by comparison!

I volunteer to help out if M@x decides to implement it (and if I'm still using the site then).

Multi-tagging albums has always been doable, I think, even though I have read people saying it was too hard since I came here.  It's not like they all need to be tagged, there's no hurry, every member could participate (or limit it to collabs and trusted forum members if necessary -- perhaps people with 100 plus posts), and we could still keep the master categories and genre teams as is.

If M@x were willing to bring in the progfreak system where all members can tag albums (system would log the users who tag them), I'd be fine doing tags for a couple thousand albums over a few months (others could add more tags to my tags or correct errors as they see them).  I'd say that we should still keep the master categories for bands/artists, and keep the genre teams, but just offer the opportunity for members to add tags to albums, using drop-down menus and using a limited number of set tags.  And every time someone does a review they might tag an album (wouldn't be much more effort than rating an album).  It wouldn't be much use to me, though, unless we also had a search function where we could do multi-tag album searches.  If it got abused, well, wouldn't be that big a deal.  I'd like to be able to search for an album that is multi-tagged, say, with psych/ folk/ jazz/ experimental, but then I can always use google and I have, to search for albums in a way that the results will work for me.

EDIT: And yes, I believe that King Crimson is very well-placed in the Eclectic Prog category.


Edited by Logan - December 04 2013 at 13:13

DiamondDog wrote: I don't see any contradiction in that - whatever band of musicians were brought together, with only Fripp as the constant - I'm sure it was a communal effort, or at least, could be. That doesn't change the fact that the band originally called King Crimson were no longer together, Fripp merely used the label as a selling tool for whatever projects he fancied at the time.

So anytime a band changes personnel or breaks up, they should develop a new name? That's what I'm inferring from this.

I don't see any contradiction in that - whatever band of musicians were brought together, with only Fripp as the constant - I'm sure it was a communal effort, or at least, could be. That doesn't change the fact that the band originally called King Crimson were no longer together, Fripp merely used the label as a selling tool for whatever projects he fancied at the time.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Before you guys go on and bash me about not really liking King Crimson's music let's think about this critically. I have been having this thought surrounding my mind. Is King Crimson really Eclectic Prog? I do consider their work in the 1970s to be as eclectic as anyone but what about the rest of their career? I do not see any eclecticism in anything since Red in 1974.Step into this discussion to make your assertion about it. This is my assertion. I don't really consider them Eclectic Prog. What about you?

M27Barney wrote: TODDLER wrote: Blacksword wrote: Tricky prog. They have slowly become one of my favourite bands. I like the way none of my friends can stand them. That's a sure sign they're doing something right.. Hm, I can see the attraction of such a reaction - I have a very strange acquaintance who has shunned all late 20th century technologies and now proudly states that his crackly 78's of American black (slave origination) recordings is truly "music of the soul" - His thirst to be in a very exclusive set of listening humanity has been leading him to that for the past 30 years....(he has never owned a CD/DVD player!! or listened to any digital media) Mind you KC is positively MASSIVE compared to such a niche....

TODDLER wrote: Blacksword wrote: Tricky prog. They have slowly become one of my favourite bands. I like the way none of my friends can stand them. That's a sure sign they're doing something right..

Hm, I can see the attraction of such a reaction - I have a very strange acquaintance who has shunned all late 20th century technologies and now proudly states that his crackly 78's of American black (slave origination) recordings is truly "music of the soul" - His thirst to be in a very exclusive set of listening humanity has been leading him to that for the past 30 years....(he has never owned a CD/DVD player!! or listened to any digital media)

Edited by M27Barney - November 19 2013 at 04:59

If there is a sub-genre we cannot shoe-horn them into I'd be disappointed - surely they could be squeezed into Zeuhl if we put enough effort into it.