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Posted: October 30 2013 at 04:17
There is an argument for all of these being the first prog album, but for me ITCOTCK is the first actual 'prog rock' album.
The rest I would say are proto, with the possible exception of The Moody Blues DOFP. I would respect the argument that this album was the first. I absolutely love it too; a concept album with orchestrations, continuous music, poetry, and some spacey sh*t on the side. You can't go wrong.
I chose ITCOTCK though, as it has a more 'rock' feel, and sounds closer to what prog actually evolved into.
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Posted: October 30 2013 at 02:53
Prog was born when Humans decided to make music that was out of the box or rather imaginative. I'd say it started with the Classical composers such as Bach, Beethoven and Chopin. I mean the word "Prog" really didn't come about until the 20th century but Prog was born and has existed over hundreds of years ago
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 03:08
BrufordFreak wrote:
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The other is that Progressive Rock was born with the popularization and legal use/experimentation of psychedelic drugs, especially LSD, around 1963-66. Aren't all of the above polled albums coming from a psychedelia-related, mind- and form-expanding consciousness/awareness? While not all early prog artists were psychedlic drug users, their music and topics of lyrical choice were most certainly affected by the drug, spiritual, or counter-cultural movements occurring all around them, nicht wahr?
I disagree. Well, everybody knows that prog came from psychedelia and the fact is that 99% of musicians at that time were smoking weed and swallowed trips, but that new proggy sound was "daydreaming" as well as "melancholy" rather than "mind" and "spiritual" & the states of consciousness inducted by THC or LSD. That caused the difference between early prog and psychedelia was very noticeable in sound and in the graphic design of the albums covers as well.
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 01:09
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 20:44
July 25, 1965 the day Bob Dylan first played electric guitar in a live concert performance at the Newport Jazz Festival. Dylan and his musical stylings (and personal inspirations and causes, including marijuana and the burgeoning psychedelic drug scene) were at that time the English world's most influential and progressive rock was, as we all recognize, an "invention" of the English-conscious world (with the Anglophilic Dutch and Germans respectfully included herein).
That's one theory.
The other is that Progressive Rock was born with the popularization and legal use/experimentation of psychedelic drugs, especially LSD, around 1963-66. Aren't all of the above polled albums coming from a psychedelia-related, mind- and form-expanding consciousness/awareness? While not all early prog artists were psychedlic drug users, their music and topics of lyrical choice were most certainly affected by the drug, spiritual, or counter-cultural movements occurring all around them, nicht wahr?
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 02:59
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I do not hold that there is any particular date when Prog was born; its various elements evolved over time and in different sequences. That said, I would go with the earliest rock album on this list, Pet Sounds by The Beach Boys. The album is truly a masterpiece which helped to elevate pop and rock as well as setting a standard that has rarely been matched. It has aged surprisingly well, and much better than Sgt. Pepper's, even though I enjoy the latter more. All the other albums listed that came afterwards added significant elements to the evolution of Prog yet each built on the standard set by Pet Sounds. Without it, the others may very well have not happened, or at least not in the form the actually took. I exclude 'Round Midnight because it is clearly jazz and has no relation to rock music of any kind.
I am a big fan of The Beach Boys. If this (my fav song by them) is not proggy, then I don't know what proggy is:
Though, I think that the Strawberry Fields Forever / Penny Lane, as the single, made that; more than Sgt Pepers and Pet Sounds as the albums. The British Progressive Rock was born with the single.
Simply because before 13 February 1967, nobody did do so great Progressive Rock song as The Beatles' Strawberry Fields Forever.
And it is better that Strawberry Fields Forever was released as the single, because that attention of audience was more 'concetrated' on that very song than it eventualy be the case if the song was placed on the Sgt. Pepper's.
That melody, lyrics,... it really was the very first child of prog.
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 01:31
I do not hold that there is any particular date when Prog was born; its various elements evolved over time and in different sequences. That said, I would go with the earliest rock album on this list, Pet Sounds by The Beach Boys. The album is truly a masterpiece which helped to elevate pop and rock as well as setting a standard that has rarely been matched. It has aged surprisingly well, and much better than Sgt. Pepper's, even though I enjoy the latter more. All the other albums listed that came afterwards added significant elements to the evolution of Prog yet each built on the standard set by Pet Sounds. Without it, the others may very well have not happened, or at least not in the form the actually took. I exclude 'Round Midnight because it is clearly jazz and has no relation to rock music of any kind.
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 00:44
I guess everyone look at this differently. Like said before, prog wasn't created in a day, so there isn't just one album who started the whole genre. I guess all of these albums and a few more have planted the seeds for it's creation as we know it today, what those albums did was to experiment with jazz or rock if you want to call it the birth of prog that's also fine. As I see it King Crimson didn't just experimented, they knew what they were doing so the outcome came out as a 100% album with an entirely new direction with a different level of songwriting and execution.
But another album which can be considered as a full on prog rock is "Touch" which came out in 1968.
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