Proggers not interested in vinyl.

Catcher10 wrote: progbethyname wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Theremin77 wrote: It's cool to be nerd these days isn't it?!! I have some old vinyl and love the large format artwork but I haven't even owned a turntable in years. These days, for albums, I usually have a 'master' copy on CD and then ripping to whatever device for listening convenience.The only real argument I've seen for vinyl sounding better than CD/download (in a variety of genres) is that it tends to be mastered more sympathetically due to the physical restrictions of vinyl - and in these days of hard mastering to make everything seem louder than everything else it tends to destroy the dynamics (and a lot of Prog uses a wide dynamic range - so maybe there's an argument there!).  I reckon there will be some modern or remastered released where the vinyl release does genuinely sound 'better'  than <span style="line-height: 1.2;">(or maybe just different from) </span><span style="line-height: 1.2;">the CD/digital release. Massive brickwall limiting in mastering for CD/digital can totally suck the life out of a piece of music.</span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;">In saying that, vinyl is not the most convenient format for very long track lengths or tracks that all flow into each other, both of which can be features of Prog - once upon a time you'd have to consider song lengths and breaks to allow for it when vinyl was the main format.</span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;">Personally I'd go for a large format artwork book with a well-mastered hi-res memory stick so see and hear it in its full glory!</span>   Nice reply.......I have plenty of vinyl that sounds better than the CD issue. I even have some hi-rez files 24/96 and 24/192 that don't hold a candle to my vinyl issues, and yes the DAC I have can play 24/192 files. On CD/Digital the long tracks are still individual files if they are numbered tracks in the disc or file...you can still hear the "digital" pause between tracks. But yes a track like Mei from Echolyn will not work on vinyl.....TAAB came on vinyl initially, digital files allowed you to listen to it without a flipping break, which is cool.   As much as the entire music world knows about digital brickwalling and all the complaining about it.......it still is happening. What kind DAC player do you have?   Grant Fidelity Tube DAC-11....I got this one as it can be used as a preamp and tube buffer for analog gear. http://shop.grantfidelity.com/Grant-Fidelity-TubeDAC-11-D-A-Converter.html (no affiliation)   There are many, many better ones...but at triple the cost and don't have the features Yulong added in, plus I wanted a tube/valve based DAC. This way I can adjust sound to my liking by tube rolling and the nice warm analog sound I prefer.

I'd really like to get something like this, so I can have high Fi quality everywhere I go. Portable tube amps are so convienant. I'm also a guy who does not obsess about what cables I should use when hooking up my gear. It's the equipment itself that fully matters. I've got a pair of sennheiser HD 800 headphones, so quality amps are very important

progbethyname wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Theremin77 wrote: It's cool to be nerd these days isn't it?!! I have some old vinyl and love the large format artwork but I haven't even owned a turntable in years. These days, for albums, I usually have a 'master' copy on CD and then ripping to whatever device for listening convenience.The only real argument I've seen for vinyl sounding better than CD/download (in a variety of genres) is that it tends to be mastered more sympathetically due to the physical restrictions of vinyl - and in these days of hard mastering to make everything seem louder than everything else it tends to destroy the dynamics (and a lot of Prog uses a wide dynamic range - so maybe there's an argument there!).  I reckon there will be some modern or remastered released where the vinyl release does genuinely sound 'better'  than <span style="line-height: 1.2;">(or maybe just different from) </span><span style="line-height: 1.2;">the CD/digital release. Massive brickwall limiting in mastering for CD/digital can totally suck the life out of a piece of music.</span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;">In saying that, vinyl is not the most convenient format for very long track lengths or tracks that all flow into each other, both of which can be features of Prog - once upon a time you'd have to consider song lengths and breaks to allow for it when vinyl was the main format.</span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span> <span style="line-height: 1.2;">Personally I'd go for a large format artwork book with a well-mastered hi-res memory stick so see and hear it in its full glory!</span>   Nice reply.......I have plenty of vinyl that sounds better than the CD issue. I even have some hi-rez files 24/96 and 24/192 that don't hold a candle to my vinyl issues, and yes the DAC I have can play 24/192 files. On CD/Digital the long tracks are still individual files if they are numbered tracks in the disc or file...you can still hear the "digital" pause between tracks. But yes a track like Mei from Echolyn will not work on vinyl.....TAAB came on vinyl initially, digital files allowed you to listen to it without a flipping break, which is cool.   As much as the entire music world knows about digital brickwalling and all the complaining about it.......it still is happening. What kind DAC player do you have?

Edited by Catcher10 - July 14 2013 at 21:55

Theremin77 wrote: It's cool to be nerd these days isn't it?!!  I have some old vinyl and love the large format artwork but I haven't even owned a turntable in years. These days, for albums, I usually have a 'master' copy on CD and then ripping to whatever device for listening convenience. The only real argument I've seen for vinyl sounding better than CD/download (in a variety of genres) is that it tends to be mastered more sympathetically due to the physical restrictions of vinyl - and in these days of hard mastering to make everything seem louder than everything else it tends to destroy the dynamics (and a lot of Prog uses a wide dynamic range - so maybe there's an argument there!).  I reckon there will be some modern or remastered released where the vinyl release does genuinely sound 'better'  than (or maybe just different from) the CD/digital release. Massive brickwall limiting in mastering for CD/digital can totally suck the life out of a piece of music. In saying that, vinyl is not the most convenient format for very long track lengths or tracks that all flow into each other, both of which can be features of Prog - once upon a time you'd have to consider song lengths and breaks to allow for it when vinyl was the main format. Personally I'd go for a large format artwork book with a well-mastered hi-res memory stick so see and hear it in its full glory!

It's cool to be nerd these days isn't it?!! 

I have some old vinyl and love the large format artwork but I haven't even owned a turntable in years. These days, for albums, I usually have a 'master' copy on CD and then ripping to whatever device for listening convenience.

The only real argument I've seen for vinyl sounding better than CD/download (in a variety of genres) is that it tends to be mastered more sympathetically due to the physical restrictions of vinyl - and in these days of hard mastering to make everything seem louder than everything else it tends to destroy the dynamics (and a lot of Prog uses a wide dynamic range - so maybe there's an argument there!). 

Knobby wrote: Compared to psychers.   Issit because proggers are likely to be nerds?

Edited by moshkito - July 08 2013 at 14:24

Many of the things I want have only been released on record (or cassette and other odd formats). If said thing ends up getting a re-release on cd, i'm going to sell the record/cassette/whatever and buy the cd, unless it's something special like a colored vinyl, or really cool/interesting packaging.

Knobby wrote: I gots nostalgia for grass right now.     Knobblandia gots a creek running through backyard and I now gorra go mow other side. This means, I , an old man wif no helper,  gots to carry a heavy-body (self-propelled )Toro lawnmower across the creek and up 4 feet of gambion.   So's iffin you dont hear from me today, I bust a kidney or sum gut and drwoned in 10 inches of creek wattah. When rain comes, me carcass be washed out, ragged and torn on sharp riverbed rock to  shore of Lake Ontarieur where some pokey child gonna come upon me glassy eyes and  wide-open gob wif an eel peering out.   Him be traumatoizered for life, belikes.

Edited by Snow Dog - July 02 2013 at 12:03

Knobby wrote: I gots nostalgia for grass right now.     Knobblandia gots a creek running through backyard and I now gorra go mow other side. This means, I , an old man wif no helper,  gots to carry a heavy-body (self-propelled )Toro lawnmower across the creek and up 4 feet of gambion.   So's iffin you dont hear from me today, I bust a kidney or sum gut and drwoned in 10 inches of creek wattah. When rain comes, me carcass be washed out, ragged and torn on sharp riverbed rock to  shore of Lake Ontarieur where some pokey child gonna come upon me glassy eyes and  wide-open gob wif an eel peering out.   Him be traumatoizered for life, belikes.

I gots nostalgia for grass right now.

Horizons wrote: Sorry but CDs and Mp3s sound just fine and are much more convenient. I don't need to collect and listen to vinyls for nostalgia.