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Posted: December 31 2015 at 05:48

Looks like a new international UFO research program is going to launch in the new year. It appears to be based on the Norwegian project studying the mysterious lights in the Hessdalen Valley, which might represent a hitherto unknown meteorological or geological phenomenon, just applied to a global scale instead.

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Posted: October 27 2015 at 15:23

Removed due to PA's deliberated act of deleting threads as alleged featuring negative behaviour posts towards others.

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Posted: August 16 2015 at 04:08

Time to resurrect this thread. I've found an interesting article about how the proliferation of drones is impacting our cultural understanding of UFOs, as strange-looking unmanned aircraft become commonplace and now are almost as standard an explanation of UFO sightings as those Thai hot air balloons.

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Posted: June 09 2015 at 12:49

Watched this documentary about the UFO investigator subculture in Britain that a Danish TV station aired last night and now has up on their website for streaming. It's rather sarcastic and sensationalistic in tone, giving much of the time to UFOlogists a level weirder than those I'm familiar with but it does give a spotlight to the subculture's more down-to-earth and reasonable sector in Mark Pilkington of Mirage Men fame.

Here's an interview with the guy who made it.

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Posted: April 23 2015 at 20:54

Rick,

Thanks for the reply.

I am aware of the Nazca lines and read about them many years ago. I'm not convinced they had anything to do with space aliens but are far more likely to be ground drawings to their gods they believed in or simply artwork.

But I won't rule out any possibility.

I'm not aware of that specific military sighitng but the ufo books are full of various military sightings by pilots as well as ground based personnel.

I'm also not convinced that the govt has crashed saucers or dead aliens but I do believe they have many photos, radar reports ,and other data regarding ufo/uap they have not shared with the public. Does it represent alien lifeforms? That's the ultimate question which remains unknown.

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Posted: April 23 2015 at 18:35

A sighting of a ‘flying saucer’ by RAF Shackleton aircrew in Yorkshire during a NATO exercise made news headlines in September 1952. Details of the Topcliffe incident were circulated to Air Ministry intelligence in this message dated 20 September 1952. AIR 20 /7390:

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Posted: April 23 2015 at 18:33

dr wu23 wrote:

Rick,

You believe then that the government does have real knowledge about ufos and aliens and those were attempts to 'disclose' this to the public..? What is your opinion on the whole ufo enigma?

Frankly, I do believe they have had this knowledge since decades ago, though we don't know yet up to which extent. And I believe too that it's just a matter of time, sooner or later the doubts about this endless enigma will be cleared, either by 'disclosures' or by the people's own 'discoveries'; as some of the nowadays modern technology accessibility is up to our fingertips, in a brief future it will be quite possible thrilling discoveries (directly or indirectly) related to UFOs made by people like you and me, in any place of the world.

Just as an illustration, one of these days my wife told me that on december 2014 Greenpeace activists would be extradited and brought to face their penal and civil responsibility for permanently damaging Peru's ancient Nazca Lines while installing a message touting renewable energy. As soon as I could I checked those headlines out and found some interesting links that afterwards directed me to the Google Earth's satellite images - it's astounding how you can see an even more numerous amount of incredibly large and intriguing graphical geoglyphs as you browse throughout that region past its borderlines. Tracking those satellite photos down (with proximity up to 50-100 meters) I found many of them made on the big rock formed parts of huge extent on the pre-andean plateau locations, not just on the well-known desertic lands where some of the 26 geoglyphs (which have a more defined shape) just some years ago were publicly announced. But what about those numerous hugely and precisely drawn line/geometric geoglyphs on the rock surfaces?? These 'drawings', even more surely, only can be done with today's brand new technology, but for whatever reason they were not yet diffused by the broadcasting news, however easy finding they are now, go figure that.

I'm kind of lazy to browse it again and copy-paste some of those thrilling photos here for people to have the "dimension" of what I'm talking about, but it is a lot better browsing them on Google Earth for themselves.

P.S.: The Nazca Lines are a series of ancient geoglyphs located in the Nazca Desert in southern Peru, created between 400 and 650 AD. They were designated as a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1994. The high and arid desert stretches more than 80 km (50 mi) between the towns of Nazca and Palpa on the Pampas de Jumana about 400 km south of Lima.

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Posted: April 23 2015 at 12:15

Rick,

You believe then that the government does have real knowledge about ufos and aliens and those were attempts to 'disclose' this to the public..? What is your opinion on the whole ufo enigma?

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Posted: April 22 2015 at 19:16

Here is an excerpt from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/:

"UFOs, Area-51, and Government Informants"
Written by Grant Cameron
Saturday, 26 January 2013

On Sunday January 27th Grant Cameron appeared on Coast to Coast AM with host George Knapp to discuss the release of a new book co-authored by Cameron called “UFOs, Area-51, and Government Informants.” The book is avaiable on Amazon.com, it is a detailed analysis of a number of leaks that have occurred which give a glimpse of what has occurred inside the classified government world of UFO investigation, and how the U.S. government has gradually disclosed key elements of the UFO story into the public.

Topics of discussion included the early days of flying saucer investigation in Canada and how that work lead to a key U.S. official, Dr. Eric Walker, who was there when the cover-up began and understood why the cover-up needed to continue. That interview looked behind the story of the MJ-12 document that dominated discussion in the UFO world in the late 1980s, and a group of high level government officials who were behind the release of this document.

The interview discussed three key US government intelligence operations which were carried out to get out the truth about UFOs but contain the classified aspects needed for reasons of national security. These three events were 1) the UFO documentary in 1975 called UFOs, Past Present, and Future 2) The television show UFO Cover-up? Live ! broadcast in October 1988 3) The Area-51 story that broke on KLAS-TV in the spring of 1989.

The discussion of the Area-51 story should be interesting as George Knapp was the reporter who broke the story that made Area-51 one of the most famous places in the world.

Those who do not get the show can listen at:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/

Disclosure - How we are being told the greatest story of all times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXxbZPRQqhA

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Posted: April 17 2015 at 11:39

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Posted: April 17 2015 at 10:38

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/wonder/passenger-films-ufo-orbs-from-airplane/vi-AAaInNc?ocid=U219DHP

An airline passenger recently captured footage of strange UFO orbs over Atlanta, Georgia, USA.

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Posted: February 23 2015 at 18:28

King Only wrote:

TeleStrat wrote:

Money pertains to this thread as well. Why are we spending countless millions (billions) of dollars on space exploration when we know that we can't really go anywhere.

Even if a probe discovered something interesting on the closest planet we could never get there.

I don't care where the "space" money is coming from but it is being wasted.

There's an old saying, "Don't throw good money after bad".

Maybe some of the investors think that some of the space exploration technology will be able to be 'spun off' into consumer goods?

For example, in Japan after World War Two, some of the early 'bullet train' and heavy industry engineers and designers used knowledge and techniques they had developed making military tech and adapted it to civilian applications.

I mean even assuming a lack of satellite uses of the technology and placing the value of knowledge of the cosmos as zero, you're still kind of assuming that the money would be otherwise allocated fruitfully which seems decidedly not true.

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Posted: February 19 2015 at 12:22

I haven't really been following it but some companies in the private sector are getting into the space business.

One of them was saying that some day people will be able to take a commercial shuttle into space just for the experience.

If that day comes I can only imagine what those tickets would cost.

So yes, money does play a big part in it.

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Posted: February 19 2015 at 11:58

TeleStrat wrote:

Money pertains to this thread as well. Why are we spending countless millions (billions) of dollars on space exploration when we know that we can't really go anywhere.

Even if a probe discovered something interesting on the closest planet we could never get there.

I don't care where the "space" money is coming from but it is being wasted.

There's an old saying, "Don't throw good money after bad".

Maybe some of the investors think that some of the space exploration technology will be able to be 'spun off' into consumer goods?

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Posted: February 19 2015 at 11:46

King Only wrote:

TeleStrat wrote:

I totally agree that that the war on drugs has been one of the biggest wastes of money in my lifetime. And after spending all of that money the drug situation is many times worse than it was forty years ago.

The war on drugs keeps many people employed: police, lawyers, rehab staff, prison staff etc. I'd say some of them are quite happy that the money keeps flowing from the taxpayers, they probably don't want the 'war' to end. Maybe it was never their intention to 'win' the 'war'.

Same with the military industrial complex, they need wars or at least military tension between countries to keep that money flowing from the taxpayers to their pockets.

The money thing is absolutely true but we have more than enough violent criminals to keep the legal, judicial and penal systems going strong.

I'd rather see my tax dollars put a murderer in prison instead of a crack head.

Money pertains to this thread as well. Why are we spending countless millions (billions) of dollars on space exploration when we know that we can't really go anywhere.

Even if a probe discovered something interesting on the closest planet we could never get there.

I don't care where the "space" money is coming from but it is being wasted.

There's an old saying, "Don't throw good money after bad".

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Posted: February 19 2015 at 11:18

Same with the military industrial complex, they need wars or at least military tension between countries to keep that money flowing from the taxpayers to their pockets.

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Posted: February 17 2015 at 14:10

An interesting interview by perhaps the foremost researcher into ufos over the last 50 years or so.

Dr Jacques Vallee (btw he was the model for the Frenchman Lacombe in the film 'Close Encounters'..)

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc839.htm

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 09:11

I used to jokingly say that we've probably been monitored but we suck so much that they want nothing to do with us.

I also used to say that I was abducted by aliens once but all they wanted was my social security number.

But I was informed that it was not politically correct to say that.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 08:54

If the answer is No because the universe is too vast to be cohesively and completely traversed even by a race that had the means, which is to say even if they could they still likely wouldn't just 'run into us', that means there probably are sentient alien forms that could or could have already theoretically visited the Earth. In other words, No.

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Posted: January 29 2015 at 08:47

TeleStrat wrote:

This subject (the original post) is fun to discuss but eventually it's time to stand up, state your opinion, and sit back down.

Has Earth been visited by any alien life form?

I say no, we haven't.

There is no proof of a visitation and there is no proof of a cover up of a visitation.

I'm originally from Missouri which is the "Show Me" state. If you want me to believe that something is true you have to show me that it's true.

yeah - even if it was possible that offworlders could visit (and I don't believe it's possible)

who's to say they'd care if they were seen ?

there'd be more evidence than could ever be covered up.

same as ghosts ..

even if the tiniest percentage of dead people met the mysterious criteria for being a ghost, they'd be everywhere ... it would be a driving hazard.

Not just seen by the usual crackpot looking for attention.

funny as technology gets better and everyone carries a fairly hi res camera in their pocket, you see less of these things being reported despite the social media platform as well.

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