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    Posted: February 26 2013 at 08:45
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by WanderingLogician WanderingLogician wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Well the  Lamia are not  a Gabriel invention. But  neither are any of the Genesis tracks using mythology.


I consider myself fairly well educated, but I had never heard of Lamia before so I assumed they were a Gabriel creation. Which is why I found the Keats thing so interesting.

Also, I just found out that squonks aren't original to Genesis either. This is completely wrecking my faith in Genesis' creativity. They might as well have been lip syncing! Tongue

Fascinating. I just looked it up. I never new Squonk wasn't made up by Genesis either!Confused

Amazing! They even have their own Wikipedia page, that says amongst other things that Steely Dan mentioned the squonk as well, even two years before Genesis Shocked
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Points: 34076 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2013 at 02:39
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but in which mythology do we find the mighty Gnidrolog Tongue


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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by mwood mwood wrote:

If you grew up playing Dungeons & Dragons (late 70s/early 80s), you might be more likely to know the lamia.  Not to mention the manticore (ELP), the hellhound (Zep), and the gryphon (Gryphon), and probably many other creatures that were referenced in classic prog tunes.


Not to mention the greater spotted (spotty?) prog rock geek

Yeah, can't deny that. Shrug.   
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Points: 65541 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2013 at 19:29
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^ no--  it really was a rampant weed in England


Correction - is rampant in England - very common around rivers & canals . The sap increases sensitivity to the sun's rays, causing severe burns (I wont post pictures, but google images on hogweed burns).

Problem is, they have hollow stems like a similar plant called cow parsley - kids used to use the stems of cow parsley as pea-shooters, but if they mis-identified the plant, they'd end up with hogweed sap on their lips

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Originally posted by mwood mwood wrote:

If you grew up playing Dungeons & Dragons (late 70s/early 80s), you might be more likely to know the lamia.  Not to mention the manticore (ELP), the hellhound (Zep), and the gryphon (Gryphon), and probably many other creatures that were referenced in classic prog tunes.


Not to mention the greater spotted (spotty?) prog rock geek

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If you grew up playing Dungeons & Dragons (late 70s/early 80s), you might be more likely to know the lamia.  Not to mention the manticore (ELP), the hellhound (Zep), and the gryphon (Gryphon), and probably many other creatures that were referenced in classic prog tunes.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

now you know how Hawkwind fans felt when they realized "quark" is a real 
word too

Thought most people knew that before the album came out. Well maybe not. I knew and my friends did at least.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ no--  it really was a rampant weed in England


Correction - is rampant in England - very common around rivers & canals . The sap increases sensitivity to the sun's rays, causing severe burns (I wont post pictures, but google images on hogweed burns).

Problem is, they have hollow stems like a similar plant called cow parsley - kids used to use the stems of cow parsley as pea-shooters, but if they mis-identified the plant, they'd end up with hogweed sap on their lips

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Absolutely true!  Cry
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

That's alright but the sources of inspiration for the Lamia theme go so far into ancient Greek mythology that the connection to Keat's poems becomes circumstantial.

Yes, the lamia predates Keats. Keats's image of the lamia, though, differs from the traditional while showing similarities to Gabriel's.
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Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by WanderingLogician WanderingLogician wrote:

I was on Wikipedia and noticed that John Keats wrote a poem called Lamia. Uses a lot of the same imagery Peter Gabriel uses so I guess it definitely influenced the writing of the song.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2490/2490-h/2490-h.htm

That's one of my favorite songs on The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, so it was pretty interesting and I thought I'd share it. Cool

Well-spotted! I studied Keats years ago and never made the connection. Yes, now that you mention it, Gabriel's image of the lamia does seem to borrow from Keats.

The Lamia is one of my favourite songs from The Lamb, too. Smile

I'm sure that this stuff was the inspiration for many of the Brit rock lyricists in the 70's!  Freddie Mercury's "Fairy Feller's Master Stroke" for example:

He's a fairy feller

Ah ah the fairy folk have gathered

Round the new moon's shine

To see the feller crack a nut

At night's noon time

To swing his axe he swears

As he climbs he dares

To deliver the master stroke


Ploughman wagoner will' and types

Politician with senatorial pipe

He's a dilly dally oh

Pedagogue squinting wears a frown

And a satyr peers under lady's gown

He's a dirty fellow

What a dirty laddie-oh


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Points: 65541 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2013 at 20:05
^ no--  it really was a rampant weed in England
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Wait, is the the hogweed original to Genesis?

Edited by The Willow Farmer - February 23 2013 at 20:02
Recent Music Acquisitions:
Johnny Marr-"The Messenger"
Steven Wilson-"The Raven that Refused to Sing"
Fish-"Sunsets on Empire"
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now you know how Hawkwind fans felt when they realized "quark" is a real word too
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Absolutely true!  Cry
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Originally posted by WanderingLogician WanderingLogician wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Well the  Lamia are not  a Gabriel invention. But  neither are any of the Genesis tracks using mythology.


I consider myself fairly well educated, but I had never heard of Lamia before so I assumed they were a Gabriel creation. Which is why I found the Keats thing so interesting.

Also, I just found out that squonks aren't original to Genesis either. This is completely wrecking my faith in Genesis' creativity. They might as well have been lip syncing! Tongue

Fascinating. I just looked it up. I never new Squonk wasn't made up by Genesis either!Confused
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Well the  Lamia are not  a Gabriel invention. But  neither are any of the Genesis tracks using mythology.


I consider myself fairly well educated, but I had never heard of Lamia before so I assumed they were a Gabriel creation. Which is why I found the Keats thing so interesting.

Also, I just found out that squonks aren't original to Genesis either. This is completely wrecking my faith in Genesis' creativity. They might as well have been lip syncing! Tongue
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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

That's alright but the sources of inspiration for the Lamia theme go so far into ancient Greek mythology that the connection to Keat's poems becomes circumstantial.

Did Gabriel do that much research before writing that tune? Now that's taking the pop songwriting craft pretty pretty far. I highly doubt it, though. Not unless he studied ancient Greek and did a PhD in between changing costumes. ...
LOL


Peter Gabriel was educated at an exclusive public (i.e. private) school and so almost certainly would have been well versed in classical languages and literature.
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Points: 3247 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 23 2013 at 16:25
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Also that 'I wandered lonely as a cloud' bit came from someone else (I don't recall who....)........

Think that's Wordsworth.
 
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