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    Posted: February 16 2013 at 07:45
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

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I have a video of a concert from the Duke tour.  And yes, they played it as one continuous suite.  That's a great concert btw.  It even includes (a shortened) version of The Knife (the last time they played that one live I believe, with the exception of the 82 reunion concert). 

yep I've got that. I think it was the Lyceum gig which was also recorded by the BBC for Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Show at the time. Superb gig.


Is that the show on the DVD that came with the last re-issue of Duke? Good selection of songs, but the sound was shocking.

think so but as already mentioned not the full concert . I do have a bootleg DVD of the full concert and also a seperate CD of the gig. The CD was likely taken from the BBC recording (not sure of its origins) and is very good. The DVD has very poor sound quality and was probably the source for the Duke bonus DVD.

Apparently its technically very difficult to marry a decent picture source with a decent sound source. ELP had this with the California Jam 1974 gig which was the holy grail for ELP fans ( but it was sorted eventually).


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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

No, it is not a concept album, as you mean it, but, rather, an album of linked themes, many of them arising from the martial difficulties of Collins.

Ah yes, it's not easy being a drummer on Mars. Wink

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

No, i still can't see it being prog besides Duke's Travels having some more intricate rhythms. 

I don't see it as prog either, but I like it and that's what matters.

One or two pages back people were complaining about side 2 of the Mama album, in particular "Just a Job to Do". This rather surprised me. I think it's funny, memorable, energetic and certainly not too far removed from songs like "Robbery, Assault & Battery" and "No Reply at All". I mean, I can understand it if people have a disdain for stuff like "Illegal Alien" or even "Misunderstanding", but "Just a Job to Do" strikes me as a pretty Genesis-y song. What's wrong with it?
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Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
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Heathaze is a very beautiful song, everything is just so well considered and structured.  DUKE may be more 'direct' in its appraoach, but strikes me as quintessential Sympho-Prog for 1980.

No, i still can't see it being prog besides Duke's Travels having some more intricate rhythms. 
I don't know what has happened recently, but I used to feel the same way - I mean, I've always liked the album, thought that Duke's Travels was the only Prog thing on it, but I've come to agree that it's a very strong sympho-prog album (for the most part) for 1980 Confused........
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

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Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
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lets toast it with a sip of some nice Lager Beer
Heathaze is a very beautiful song, everything is just so well considered and structured.  DUKE may be more 'direct' in its appraoach, but strikes me as quintessential Sympho-Prog for 1980.

No, i still can't see it being prog besides Duke's Travels having some more intricate rhythms. 
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


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I have a video of a concert from the Duke tour.  And yes, they played it as one continuous suite.  That's a great concert btw.  It even includes (a shortened) version of The Knife (the last time they played that one live I believe, with the exception of the 82 reunion concert). 

yep I've got that. I think it was the Lyceum gig which was also recorded by the BBC for Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Show at the time. Superb gig.


Is that the show on the DVD that came with the last re-issue of Duke? Good selection of songs, but the sound was shocking.
One of my Genesis boots (Revelatory Genesis 80:78) has a selection of Duke songs, Lyceum Ballroom, May 7 - the sound isn't too bad really.  It has a 4min version of The Knife.  The '78 tracks are Follow You, Follow Me, a storming version of Fountain of Salmacis where Banks uses his ARP synth in place of some of Hackett's original guitar parts and Burning Rope.  Part of the Duke suite is on side 2, with Duke's Travels & Duke's End on side 3.  I never really picked up on the 'flow' of the suite.......
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^If so, it's not the full show.  Granted I haven't watched the Duke DVD in quite awhile, but the show I have is almost 2 1/2 hours long.  I don't remember that on the DVD.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


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I have a video of a concert from the Duke tour.  And yes, they played it as one continuous suite.  That's a great concert btw.  It even includes (a shortened) version of The Knife (the last time they played that one live I believe, with the exception of the 82 reunion concert). 

yep I've got that. I think it was the Lyceum gig which was also recorded by the BBC for Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Show at the time. Superb gig.


Is that the show on the DVD that came with the last re-issue of Duke? Good selection of songs, but the sound was shocking.
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

I have a video of a concert from the Duke tour.  And yes, they played it as one continuous suite.  That's a great concert btw.  It even includes (a shortened) version of The Knife (the last time they played that one live I believe, with the exception of the 82 reunion concert). 

yep I've got that. I think it was the Lyceum gig which was also recorded by the BBC for Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Show at the time. Superb gig.
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Perhaps, poor Phil, he dearly loved his wife at the time.  This came at the same time that Frida's (Abba) marriage was falling apart with her partner (one of the dudes, the piano player of Abba - Benny - I can't remember...) - anyway, this culminated in Phil's collaboration of sorts with Frida for her hit album 'Something's Going On' (as I've mentioned earlier, with fellow musicians Daryl Stuermer, Peter Robinson, Mo Foster and others) - a selection of songs written by certain peoples (eg :  Bryan Ferry, Rod Argent, Russ Ballard, PhilCo etc.).  A very decent 'pop' album, nicely executed for the most part.

Anyway, I'm currently up to Heathaze - and I'm really moved.  Ripping bass from Mike, Tony's piano (CP70) has such an ethereal tone to it.  But most of all, a fantastic track.  I did buy my LP sometime in 1988 (jeez, don't I repeat myself (when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress....)) but I am totally blown out currently with it.  I also just gave Yesshows a spin (which I haven't done for many, many years).  Equally impressed here.  Am I just getting old ???

Ahhh....Yesshows for the vinyl cover alone, beautiful album too!
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Heathaze is a great song, often maligned for Bank's lyrics but I like it a lot. A softer similarity to another side one closer Mad Man Moon
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was the album about Collin's mrs having it off with the painter and decorator - thats another good point of DIY surely!!!!Wink 
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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

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from WikiDuke was originally meant to include a roughly 30-minute suite featuring songs in the order of "Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal/Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End," ultimately telling the story of fictional character "Albert."
I have read this somewhere - even if this is its initial design, and I've never formatted the track order in such a way, but I can't see how 'Turn It On Again' fits into the whole envisioned piece - it would stick out like a sore thumb. 


I've always thought 'More Fool Me' sticks out like a sore thumb on SEBTP... if any song should have been an early warning of Collins's proclivities in the lyric department, it's that one.



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I have a video of a concert from the Duke tour.  And yes, they played it as one continuous suite.  That's a great concert btw.  It even includes (a shortened) version of The Knife (the last time they played that one live I believe, with the exception of the 82 reunion concert). 
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^it is a well established fact that they originally had a continuos suite in mind. They even played it as one piece live.
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I recall Tony Banks in an interview saying that Turn It On Again started out as a 'throwaway section' between two other pieces, which suggests that they had a suite in mind when they wrote it.
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^I have always loved All Fool Me, which is unusual for me. I always preferred rockier numbers. 
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

^The song was written by Rutherford and Collins, but I do believe the lyrics were primarily Mike's.  

That was my understanding, and it was primarily used as a vehicle to give Gabriel a rest from elaborate costume changing escapades on stage.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

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Duke was originally meant to include a roughly 30-minute suite featuring songs in the order of "Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal/Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End," ultimately telling the story of fictional character "Albert."
I have read this somewhere - even if this is its initial design, and I've never formatted the track order in such a way, but I can't see how 'Turn It On Again' fits into the whole envisioned piece - it would stick out like a sore thumb.  I wonder if anyone has tried this track-flow and what they thought of it as a lengthy epic ??.....
Maybe Turn It On Again does not intuitively fit but we have seen suites with much stronger variations in mood and nuance, it all depends on how cleverly they could make the transitions. Personally I think that it could have made for an historical top-notch suite.
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^The song was written by Rutherford and Collins, but I do believe the lyrics were primarily Mike's.  
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

from WikiDuke was originally meant to include a roughly 30-minute suite featuring songs in the order of "Behind The Lines/Duchess/Guide Vocal/Turn It On Again/Duke's Travels/Duke's End," ultimately telling the story of fictional character "Albert."
I have read this somewhere - even if this is its initial design, and I've never formatted the track order in such a way, but I can't see how 'Turn It On Again' fits into the whole envisioned piece - it would stick out like a sore thumb. 


I've always thought 'More Fool Me' sticks out like a sore thumb on SEBTP... if any song should have been an early warning of Collins's proclivities in the lyric department, it's that one.



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was the album about Collin's mrs having it off with the painter and decorator - thats another good point of DIY surely!!!!Wink 
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