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    Posted: June 16 2012 at 15:18
FWIW, I think Reyes and the rest of AAL were cleared of all charges.
 
It was recently declared LEGAL to film cops. There was a recent episode around here where a bystander filmed a standoff where the police killed a 19yo kid who was brandishing a weapon. The video was confiscated, copied, and returned intact, and actually turned what might have been a media fiasco into confirmation that the kid was intentionally trying to make trouble and refused no fewer than 11 commands to drop his weapon.
 
 
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Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

People think that the Police are a crime prevention force. This is untrue. The Police are a crime regulation force.

If all police officers were perfect and crime was abolished no police officers would need to exist. A world without crime would destroy our already crippled fake economies.

We need violent cops as much as we need crime. If some poor shmuck gets beaten unjustly or if some cops like to sneak hardcore drugs, then we know the system is working.
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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2012 at 12:36
People think that the Police are a crime prevention force. This is untrue. The Police are a crime regulation force.

If all police officers were perfect and crime was abolished no police officers would need to exist. A world without crime would destroy our already crippled fake economies.

We need violent cops as much as we need crime. If some poor shmuck gets beaten unjustly or if some cops like to sneak hardcore drugs, then we know the system is working.


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Also, too many cops waste their time enforcing menial laws to the point of ridiculousness, rather than trying to focus on what actually needs to be done. I got a 200 ticket for doing 67 in a 55 at 3 AM on a deserted highway in the middle of nowhere, because I failed to notice the speed temporarily dropped from 65 to 55 for a crossroads area, also completely deserted. Protect and serve my ass.
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Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

Lol, I saw a cop trying to turn left at a fast approaching turn, and the traffic was too dense and he was too many lanes away, so he turned on his lights and siren and quickly merged across three lanes, then once on the exit ramp, he turned his siren and lights off. I know not all cops are bad, but since they are in positions of power, if only 10% of them are bad, it's a huge problem. That is exacerbated by the fact that the cops who actually behave correctly will protect the corrupt ones out of some misguided since of loyalty and fraternity. And now for something not completely different: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/02/29/the-tsa-is-coming-to-a-highway-near-you/
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Originally posted by Failcore Failcore wrote:

Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

The problem is that it seems nearly all of them are willing to back up their fellow cops no matter what.
This. That thin blue line sh*t needs to stop. The problem is, cops are never charged with perjury.
 
Just like our politicians never get tried for insider trading.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by JesusisLord JesusisLord wrote:

Decades of working hand in hand with Police Officers "IN THE TRENCHES" has only strengthened my respect for these dedicated and all too often under appreciated servants of our society. To hear the broad, sweeping accusations some of you have made , literally sickens me. I know officers who LITERALLY risk their lives every time they leave  their homes, for work, off to protect many of you, who do nothing but sit back and criticize. WEAK..... Some of you must watch too much T.V.
 
Just like there are bad politicians (most of them) there are bad police officers (probably only some of them). I agree that most of them want to do their best and I'm sure there are many of hard working men and women of the force. That doesn't mean that all the laws that are established are good, and it doesnt mean that I'm going to turn snitch either. I don't care how good an officer of the law is, they are still working to enforce the laws of a government that I do not agree with. I have respect for them, but I generally still am allowed to have my opinions. And my opinion is that I cannot trust a police officer until I meet them outside of their jobs and get to know them as people. I don't like to trust anyone with authority. I didnt ASK any of them to take the job of being a dirty snitch with power. That's their fault.
 
Or maybe its "the medias" fault for planting this deep cynicysm I feel for everything. Either way, I still hate everything, so in turn, I'm going to dislike the people that help the establishment run everything.
 
I don't know ONE person under 25 that I hang out with that trusts the cops. Too many stories amongst everyone about their abuse of power... AND I HATE POWER.


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Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

The problem is that it seems nearly all of them are willing to back up their fellow cops no matter what.
This. That thin blue line sh*t needs to stop. The problem is, cops are never charged with perjury.
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No, some of us have had bad experiences with cops on power trips.  In this case, hearing both sides of the story would help, but the fact is that a person who is willing to do such things is also willing to lie......and it becomes their word against the cops.  I have been in this situation, and needless to say, the cops story is the one that is believed, whether it is true or not.  In my case, it was not, but I didn't have video or audio evidence to prove it and the only other witness was another cop, who naturally backed up the lie.

Having said that, I've actually had far more positive experiences with cops than negative, and I agree that many of them are really there to "protect and serve".  The problem is that it seems nearly all of them are willing to back up their fellow cops no matter what.
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Decades of working hand in hand with Police Officers "IN THE TRENCHES" has only strengthened my respect for these dedicated and all too often under appreciated servants of our society. To hear the broad, sweeping accusations some of you have made , literally sickens me. I know officers who LITERALLY risk their lives every time they leave  their homes, for work, off to protect many of you, who do nothing but sit back and criticize. WEAK..... Some of you must watch too much T.V.
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Points: 13873 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2012 at 22:41
It's always best to hear both sides before judging. I used to despise cops in my late teens early twenties. Had plenty of run-ins with them and if i thought i could have gotten away with it there's one cop in particular who's ass i would have kicked. He was such a smart ass. But i also knew a few cops who were friends of my dad that were great guys. And one in particular(who i didn't know) who could have charged me with possession but let me off to my surprise. I remember an Uncle of a friend of mine who told me that fighting against cops was a battle i could never win and it was good advise that i took to heart. Now all these years later my daughter is getting married this winter to a drug enforcement cop. How ironic is that !LOL
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Points: 4625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2012 at 14:38
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Failcore Failcore wrote:

This is gonna sound weird, but I think we should pay our police twice as much. The problem is, since it is a low-paying job with admittedly high risk of being stabbed by a junkie, it only attracts two kinds of people: those who believe in and love the work and those who beat off to the victims of their power-tripping and battery. Also, it should be a federal mandate that any town that wants a charter should have to have an IAB in their police department.

Haha, the military 4F's people for that too. They want nice little uniforms who won't think too much about the implications of the orders they are given.

EDIT: I did the math and according to their exam criteria (assuming linearity with respect to the IQ system), if you have an IQ of 103 or greater you are ineligible. I guess that means none of us here could make the cut Cry LOL


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Originally posted by Failcore Failcore wrote:

This is gonna sound weird, but I think we should pay our police twice as much. The problem is, since it is a low-paying job with admittedly high risk of being stabbed by a junkie, it only attracts two kinds of people: those who believe in and love the work and those who beat off to the victims of their power-tripping and battery. Also, it should be a federal mandate that any town that wants a charter should have to have an IAB in their police department.
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This is gonna sound weird, but I think we should pay our police twice as much. The problem is, since it is a low-paying job with admittedly high risk of being stabbed by a junkie, it only attracts two kinds of people: those who believe in and love the work and those who beat off to the victims of their power-tripping and battery. Also, it should be a federal mandate that any town that wants a charter should have to have an IAB in their police department.


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Originally posted by Failcore Failcore wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

The Police is made up of many many different people, wherever you venture out in the world. We have some crazy lunatics here in Denmark as well, but I guess we also need them whenever mad men hunt you down with axes and grenades. Or else call mommy?

This post does however seem a bit one-sided. Not that I am defending the police, but I am sure there is more to this than what meets the eye. 
I agree, I would like to see them recover the video off that phone, as breaking the screen should not prevent that. But unless they actually jumped the officer, there was no excuse for what happened. And that, I highly doubt.


I am actually currently trying to change my view of the police. I've had some bad experiences with them in the past. Saw a few grown up men beat the sh*t out of some 12 year old girls back when our Ungdomshus(A Danish house of culture for the youth that got overrun by police a little while ago due to some horrific political decision) got smashed to pieces. Seen a lot of crazy madness - and for a long time I've felt decisively more afraid and on edge whenever I've seen cops. Still do actually. 
On the other hand, I grew up with a cop as my tennis trainer, so I too know of the good ones out there - the ones that don't make up their own morality as they go along(although most of us do).

If these police men did do what is written here - and the way it is described, then nothing is really going to happen in the end. The Police investigates themselves - and that in itself is like telling the school bully to go sit in the corner and feel ashamed of himself. Naughty boy!!!!!! 
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Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

It's a very delicate balance with police between over-aggressiveness and hypo-aggressiveness. In Israel it's usually the latter. It's very hard to respect police officers here. So a lot of the times the laws aren't followed. It doesn't mean it's all anarchy... but there's the feeling that the law isn't being kept. 

In the U.S. I think it's start to feel as if the authorities are somewhat over-aggressive.  
They are aggressive with law abiding citizenry, but if you actually want them to go after criminals they are useless. Me and my friends have all been robbed several times. One time, the cop had the balls to tell my female friend it was her fault for getting robbed.  Of course there are exceptions, but the police are supposed to be the creme of the crop. And they seem to be no better or worse, moralistically speaking than your average joes.
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This is why you don't live in Boston, New York, Chicago, or LA. Sure you get to live in the cultural hubs of the US< but you also have to deal with their cops. Your best bet for the big city experience in the US is Seattle, if you can avoid being shot (weird stuff this past week).
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

The Police is made up of many many different people, wherever you venture out in the world. We have some crazy lunatics here in Denmark as well, but I guess we also need them whenever mad men hunt you down with axes and grenades. Or else call mommy?

This post does however seem a bit one-sided. Not that I am defending the police, but I am sure there is more to this than what meets the eye. 
I agree, I would like to see them recover the video off that phone, as breaking the screen should not prevent that. But unless they actually jumped the officer, there was no excuse for what happened. And that, I highly doubt. My personal suspicion is that the drunk air guitar guy was walking buy and was like, "Oooh, someone's in trouble" or something equally flippant and pissed the officer off.


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It's a very delicate balance with police between over-aggressiveness and hypo-aggressiveness. In Israel it's usually the latter. It's very hard to respect police officers here. So a lot of the times the laws aren't followed. It doesn't mean it's all anarchy... but there's the feeling that the law isn't being kept. 

In the U.S. I think it's start to feel as if the authorities are somewhat over-aggressive.  
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