system of a down? Prog?

seabre wrote: alan_pfeifer wrote: I see alot more of what many of you consider "prog" in them.  Just because they write 3 minute songs doesn't ,mean they suck.  They tend to cram alot into the songs. Oh. Ok. That makes Blink 182 prog too, I guess.

No, it doesn't.  Myabe our definitions of what "cramming stuff" is different, but for a ""Nu-metal" band (which they've been branded) to do what they do, I find it admirable.  And there's been a definite progression in their music from album to album.  I'm not saying that that they should be added to the site or anything, but that I like and respect what they're doing for mainstream music at the moment, which was more than I could say for Blink 182.

You want amusing? There's apparently a couple threads out there worth checking out ...

.... like the 200+ page one about Mariah Carey

.... or the several about Rush versus ELP that just derail into mud-slinging of the most hilarious variety.

Anyway. Welcome to the threads! Lots of people get emails about new replies to threads (such as meself) so no tomatoes necessary. Unless you should like them, in which case go for it:

 <--- that one sort of looks like an angry tomato, which periodically blinks at you.

It's the progressive/prog thing again.

No, SOAD are definitely NOT prog rock.

I think they're an amazing metal band (and I choose a broad category deliberately due to my own aversion to subcategories), they have a unique and progressive sound - or at least, they did on Toxicity, and they have a refreshingly intelligent approach to lyric-writing. Intelligent lyric writing is not necessarily a prog thing - Paul Simon has written some blinders.

Mesmerize has a squeakier production, but the playing standard and songwriting attitude is not as serious as it was on Toxicity, which I think is by far the superior album, and the one to judge SOAD on.

Mesmerize made me chuckle many times the first time I heard it - as did the single BYOB. Maybe they're trying to have more fun doing what they do? Who cares?

They're not prog, but they are extremely good at what they do.

(IMHO)

1One1 wrote: Dont have enough time to read the whole thread: so some of this may be covered in which case I apologise, but those who are bashing their lyrics dont get'm. 1) Soldier Side Simple. It's not hard. "All grow up to die". 2) BYOB "Why do they always send the poor?" Anti-War 3) Revenga "My sweet revenge, Will be yours." Violence begets violence. Revenge only hurts yourself etc. 4) CIGARO "My cock is much bigger than yours!" It's Anti-War. Cock is a metaphor for army and it's a holier-than-thou song sarcastically. 5) Radio\Video I'd have to write too many lyrics. It's an innocence-lost thingy. FYI: Danny and Lisa are two of Daron's (guitarist) mates from when he was a kiddy 6) This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I'm On This Song Insanity. What were you expecting with that song title? 7) Violent Pornography All the sh*t that's on TV has become a Violent Pornography. "It's a violent pornography...the kind of sh*t you get on your TV". 8) Question! Does destiny exist? (paraphrased) Where do we go when we die? 9) Sad Statue Calling the new generation a war-mongering hateful generation which the ideas of America would be ashamed of. "You and me we'll all go down in history with a...Sad statue of liberty and a generation that didn't agree" 10) Old School Hollywood Daron wanted to play in the Hollywood baseball match but found it fake and plastic and hated his time. "Standing in the sun I'm about to melt!" 11) Lost in Hollywood Hollywood is scum. "You should've never trusted Hollywood" All of them except "This Cocaine..." have meaningful lyrics about today's generation. Dark Side of the Moon anybody?

So many good lessons for the humanity, they can be proud of it... Seriously, is there anything more pop than that, anti-war lyrics, or anti0violance ones? What about a song about september 11?...

1One1 wrote: Dont have enough time to read the whole thread: so some of this may be covered in which case I apologise, but those who are bashing their lyrics dont get'm. 1) Soldier Side Simple. It's not hard. "All grow up to die". 2) BYOB "Why do they always send the poor?" Anti-War 3) Revenga "My sweet revenge, Will be yours." Violence begets violence. Revenge only hurts yourself etc. 4) CIGARO "My cock is much bigger than yours!" It's Anti-War. Cock is a metaphor for army and it's a holier-than-thou song sarcastically. 5) Radio\Video I'd have to write too many lyrics. It's an innocence-lost thingy. FYI: Danny and Lisa are two of Daron's (guitarist) mates from when he was a kiddy 6) This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I'm On This Song Insanity. What were you expecting with that song title? 7) Violent Pornography All the sh*t that's on TV has become a Violent Pornography. "It's a violent pornography...the kind of sh*t you get on your TV". 8) Question! Does destiny exist? (paraphrased) Where do we go when we die? 9) Sad Statue Calling the new generation a war-mongering hateful generation which the ideas of America would be ashamed of. "You and me we'll all go down in history with a...Sad statue of liberty and a generation that didn't agree" 10) Old School Hollywood Daron wanted to play in the Hollywood baseball match but found it fake and plastic and hated his time. "Standing in the sun I'm about to melt!" 11) Lost in Hollywood Hollywood is scum. "You should've never trusted Hollywood" All of them except "This Cocaine..." have meaningful lyrics about today's generation. Dark Side of the Moon anybody?

Great. What do the topics of the songs have to do with the question whether something is progressive? Nothing at all.