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    Posted: August 26 2005 at 18:02
you Brits are lucky by compare...of our two major music magazines, one
(Spin) only acknowledges music written from 1985-on (music as old as I
am? good god, that's lame), and the other (Rolling Stone) isn't really much
of a music magazine, and references 90215 as the first cohesion of Yes'
musical ideas.

and hell, I'd willingly take Dizzie Razcal as a chart topper any day over the
crap our industry manufactures.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 09:17

I think Ian Hunter didn't particularly like Uriah Heep or Ken Hensley's material- he said the songs he'd written in 1977 (for 'Firefly' I reckon) were 'even worse than the songs I already knew'.

David Coverdale also auditioned but Ken Hensley called it 'a horrendous mismatch' and said they'd just sacked one drunk singer (David Byron) and Coverdale walked in with a bottle of alcohol...

Gary Holton, of The Heavy Metal Kids and classic UK TV show 'Auf Wiedersehen Pet' (he played Wayne) was also considered, and I think Jess Roden of long forgotten troupe Bronco was as well.

There is a Deep Purple connection to all this as well- Ritchie Blackmore wanted Paul Rodgers to join DP after Gillan, and even dropped a heavy hint that he wanted Rodgers to join in a mag at the time I think, but he didn't and formed Bad Company. John Lawton also was planning to audition for DP at this time, but the closest he came to any DP work was on the Roger Glover project 'Butterfly Ball' which had most of the '74-5 line up of DP.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 09:06

Spot on Salmacis, I don't think there was ever any suggestion of EJ joining Heep, but the link with David Byron through the Avenue records recordings is absolutely right. A couple of names who might have joined Uriah Heep are Paul Rogers (Free) and Ian Hunter (Mott the Hoople). Ken Hensley wanted Rogers after Byron left, and at one stage Hunter was offered substantial amounts of cash to join, but turned it down.

On the King Crimson/Elton John thing, "almost joined" is perhaps too strong, but King Crimson's management did contract him as a sesion singer to add vocals to the second album. When the band found out, they instructed their managemnt to cancel the arrnagement.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 08:15

There are two possible theories to the Heep/ Elton John thing:

Uriah Heep's first album featured Nigel Olsson on drums, who was later to join Elton John's band- in fact he's still there now; I saw him playing on Elton's live show at Live8.

The other connection is that Heep's singer, David Byron, sang on various cheapo compilations which featured covers of famous hits, as did Elton John. Among the ones I've heard David do are 'He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother' and 'All Right Now', and they came out on many cheapo albums on labels like Beacon and Windmill.

It would be hilarious if Elton ever did sing on a Heep song- imagine him taking on epics like 'July Morning'!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2005 at 05:49
Originally posted by Hemispheres Hemispheres wrote:

its still not in canada and its making me


I haven't been able to find it in South Africa either

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I learned something new from it, I never knew Elton John was asked, and nearly joined King Crimson!


I'm not sure how true this is, but I seem to remember hearing that at one stage Elton John was part of a band that evolved into Uriah Heep.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2005 at 17:43

Yes, that's one of the more bizarre prog anecdotes! Bryan Ferry also auditioned to join King Crimson...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2005 at 15:04
I learned something new from it, I never knew Elton John was asked, and nearly joined King Crimson!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2005 at 14:36
I bought the mag a couple of weeks ago and thought it was quite interesting, even though it didn't really say anything new about prog rock. Anyway, it was a good effort on the part of those people, seen as they usually sl*g off anything which doesn't belong to the current musical fads. I bought Q a couple of times in the past, but I just didn't find it interesting in the least. On the other hand, I've been reading Classic Rock for a few years now, and I've recently subscribed to it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2005 at 13:09

In
reference to Dick Heath's earlier post: these writers haven't
been "hiding for the past 25 years"; they've all been writing
about popular music in its many shapes and forms.

 

They may have been been writing about the many shapes and forms of music, but as for writing on the subject of progressive rock constructively, and/or pushing the rock magazine editors for copy space, this has not been evident with the majority.  I know Sid Smith and met with him after it was suggested he contact me in his researches, as one of the few who had kept my head above the parapet all this time, played the music on radio and not hidden in the closet. I've written too more often to the former editor of the Times Saturday Arts Supplement, because of their occasional anti-prog  reviews - he replied politely but.... Along with Sid Smith, I can only think of the handful of authors who have researched and written prog biographies and most of those in the last decade, who have kept the faith. Add to that list the likes of  Jon Newie, the present managing director and managing editor of Jazzwise,  who has been known to sneak in prog reviews into his magazine (btw he also did Q Collectibles jazz rock top 10 albums).

When once it was said any pop or rock group surviving more than 18 months,  went in and out of favour through a 7 years cycle, questions have to be asked why the music media has shown no tolerance for the genre since at least Marillion stopped getting hits? Or probably more likely the height of punk in the late 70's and the new generation of rock/pop writers, for instance those encouraged by NME. Q as opposed to Mojo have been guilty - Mojo was originally set up to parallel what the excellent Zig Zag magazine did in the 70's - good researched articles on an eclectic variety of musics.

However, I appreciate what Q/Mojo have produced here - I bought a copy (and in the local WHS). I now don't think they have jumped onto a band wagon, rather opened the door within the mainstream printed musical media, employing more than just a neutral level of enthusiasm for the subject. I've strongly  recommended  that the Prog Special  is a good written guide for any new boys/girls to prog who want something of the history,  putting the old and new into some context, providing details of important bands and the discography.  (BTW inclusion of Soft Machine did it for me - trust you guys at Q/Mojo review Graham Bennett's forthcoming biography of the band - but in passing, how old were the Mike Ratledge quotes??). Besides it doesn't pretend to be as academic as Rocking The Classic or as expensive!

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2005 at 11:43
Originally posted by bad1 bad1 wrote:

Well spoken.


And as I have documented in the thread mentioned above,
Q/Mojo seems at the moment about to rewrite History when
inisisting that they have not met any criticisms for their
condescending attitude to prog...


I think they finally may have come to understand that music
magazines have pissed off thousands of readers in the last
decade and are attempting to regain some of the market.


I gave up buying Q and Mojo regularely years ago, the few
issues I have bought have made me write angry letters each
time


 


 


 



Nice to see this debate still runs and runs… I've been off work
for two and a half weeks … and come back to find that you
folks are still griping!

I'm afraid I can't recall every letter sent to Q magazine, even the
ones about prog rock. This isn't me "re-writing history"; just me
genuinely not remembering. As I stated in an earlier post: some
writers at Q and Mojo like progressive rock; some don't. But
those that did jumped at the chance to write about this music. In
reference to Dick Heath's earlier post: these writers haven't
been "hiding for the past 25 years"; they've all been writing
about popular music in its many shapes and forms.

No one's denying the raw deal prog rock has received in the
press (I'm afraid I missed Rod Liddle's jibe about Brand X's
lyrics… very funny), but this magazine wasn't some calculated
attempt at musical revisionism or us trying to re-gain
"thousands of readers" (to the best of my knowledge, there isn't
a mainstream music mag selling to thousands of readers and
tackling this stuff in any detail anywhere else, barring, at a
push, Classic Rock), but me pushing through an idea close to
my heart and finding a bunch of writers biting my arm off to write
about the music they like but rarely get the chance to sound off
about. Christ, I wish we were organised enough in the music
press to hatch all these grand plots/conspiracies.

Anyway, thanks as always to those who've bought the mag and
enjoyed it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 16:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2005 at 08:31
Agree with all you've said bad1 and Dick.

I stopped taking Q seriously years ago (Mojo is a bit better). They gave rave reviews to people like Chris (Mr Somnambulance) Rea while trying to write off virtually the whole prog genre as some sort of musical aberration. I also remember them seriously arguing that Genesis' 80s output was vastly superior to the Gabriel era (I'm not a massive Genesis fan but even I could see the idiocy of that statement).

Suppose they're trying a further bit of historical revisionism now there finally seems to be a bit more acceptance towards prog ("we quite liked it all along really, it just occasionally got a bit pompous that's all.")

Anyway, prog on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2005 at 08:03

Well spoken.

And as I have documented in the thread mentioned above, Q/Mojo seems at the moment about to rewrite History when inisisting that they have not met any criticisms for their condescending attitude to prog...

I think they finally may have come to understand that music magazines have pissed off thousands of readers in the last decade and are attempting to regain some of the market.

I gave up buying Q and Mojo regularely years ago, the few issues I have bought have made me write angry letters each time

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2005 at 18:27
Originally posted by Drachen Theaker Drachen Theaker wrote:

Just bought it at the weekend - a great read for any
prog fan.

My only quibble - reading the intro and seeing that it
was written by geriatric sixth former and long-time
prog hater Charles Shaar Murray. Why not get
someone who is actually receptive to the music to do
it.
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I've just finished reading this fairly useful  addition to prog publications, although it doesn't provide much new information or new revelations - check out the date tags in the smallest of print to some of the pieces. But for the new kids, I strongly recommend start here.

However, following on from DT's comments about Charles Shaar Murray  (btw he did write an excellent book on Hendrix in the late 80's), I checked out the authors for many of those articles and have to ask the question: " where the f*** have you been hiding yourselves over the last 25 years?" Through the 80's and 90's there has so few people prepared to say in public "I like like prog rock, and the likes of Peel have got it wrong". I know cos I've tried in my small way to promote prog and had allsorts of rubbish thrown back. The idiots telling me that rock with more than 3 chords is crap, the tag of 'dynosaur music' (hey Led Zeppelin and Rod Stewart were in the punk's originally list of rock dynosaurs, which only included Yes and ELP from prog rock), all that dire dj mix dance music, etc. And the printed media - Q and Wire in particular of the monthlies, the London Times of the dailies - taking long term and irregular snips at it (the latter publication more often as not, being unable to use the term 'prog rock'; and a Rod Liddell's attack on the crassness of Brand X's lyrics 18 months ago, demonstrating too many of these pundit had no clue about what they were writing about).   Thank goodness I had a campus radio station that have supported the music I've played for over 21 years, because they discovered the show got big listener figures, with one of the main reasons being "it wasn't what BBC Radio One played".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2005 at 09:29

FYI:

I indicate some of Q's more general treatment of the ususal suspects of prog in the New Prog Rock history book... thread, see http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8191&a mp;PN=1&TPN=2.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2005 at 08:10
Just bought it at the weekend - a great read for any
prog fan.

My only quibble - reading the intro and seeing that it
was written by geriatric sixth former and long-time
prog hater Charles Shaar Murray. Why not get
someone who is actually receptive to the music to do
it.

The crossword competition was great fun Salmacis,
but don't enter - I want the Wakeman cape (and the
5CD Harvest box set)!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2005 at 17:26
Yeah, it's a great mag- had great fun applying all the supposedly useless info I'd accumulated about half forgotten proggers like Jonesy and Dr Z to the crossword!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2005 at 08:16
Originally posted by Q&Mojo Q&Mojo wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Check out the credits on page 5:


In the "Special Thanks To" section it
cites Progarchives.com !!!



Of course. If you let us bang on about our magazine on your
message boards, it seemed like the least we could do.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 19 2005 at 10:54
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Check out the credits on page 5:


In the "Special Thanks To" section it
cites Progarchives.com !!!



Of course. If you let us bang on about our magazine on your
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 18 2005 at 14:31

Just picked it up today. It is indeed an excellent publication. Interesting that it's called Pink Floyd (big letters) and the story of prog rock (smaller letters). Presumably an indication of the perceived marketability of PF above other prog bands.

Great features though on many of the prog greats.. plus RadioheadLOL. For those who were around in the early 70's, there doesn't seem to be much we didn't already know, but younger members will learn a lot about the history of prog from it. 

A worthwhile purchase for everyone though.

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