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    Posted: January 18 2012 at 14:01
By 'lol metheny' I meant I didn't like the guy.
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

 
lol metheny
As opposed to  Lol Coxhill - the avant Canterbury sax player often found on album with the other Steve Miller?Big smile


I'm not entirely certain what was meant by "lol metheny".  Feel free to clarify Polo when you get back on.

I found the collaboration with the Meth man pretty cool.  And then there was that whole crack train from New York, which they felt compelled to explain in the liner notes as not being about crack cocaine.LOL


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Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

 
lol metheny
As opposed to  Lol Coxhill - the avant Canterbury sax player often found on album with the other Steve Miller?Big smile
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Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

If there's any composer that should be on this site it's Pierre Henry for electronic prog, because he put out some boss synth rock albums and lots of electronic musique concrète


"Synth rock albums" by Pierre Henry??? Confused Except from two (2) tracks from Messe pour le temps présent, I hardly heard or read about his discography including "boss synth rock albums".
Musique concrète, of course, since he worked with Pierre Schaeffer, but synth rock...
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 19:37
Kind of depends on how you define prog.  I think he's Country and Western.  I don't know which country and I'm not certain where west really is.
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If there's any composer that should be on this site it's Pierre Henry for electronic prog, because he put out some boss synth rock albums and lots of electronic musique concrète
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Originally posted by Mushroom Sword Mushroom Sword wrote:

He's is definitely innovative and very artistic in music. But he is not a Rock artist. 
I beg to differ.
 
HUGE minimalist fan here. Though I'm more of a Philip Glass and John Adams man meself, Reich is definitely awesome. Also not prog
I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't
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Points: 10213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 13:06
Exactly ... or Miles Davies, Chick Corea, Jan Garbarek...or maybe I am crazy, maybe they're not jazz icons ?
Isn't  jazz much older and VERY DIFFERENT music than rock'n'roll? 


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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Yes, because this great composer is widely accepted by the proggers. Of course he's not rock, but that argument is not valid for not addition to PA because in PA are so many others great artists who are also not rock at all, but they are here because they are accepted by Progressive Rock fanatics or (and) because they are influential to the genre.
 
 
pretty good point i think...
 
univers zero (based only on my experience of ceux des dehors is not rock, but is here, and there are certainly more examples...
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Points: 10185 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 10:11
Terry Riley is on PA? WHAT


There is a sh*tload (or f**kton, not sure which is bigger) of modern classical composers that are more progressive than anything on this site but that don't mean we should include them. It's got to be some sort of rock music, right?



Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Which train is your favorite?

Metheny and Reich teaming up for Electronic Counterpoint was totally unexpected.


First one.


lol metheny


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We need : www.whywonttheyincludethison-pa.org
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

RILEY, TERRY


Oh.

Just let me edit my post...

Who let all of this riff raff into the room?  Being a fan of Glass and Reich I still can't advocate for their inclusion.  I haven't gotten to know Riley though.  I know Riley Freeman from Boondocks better.LOL


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All major serious music composers progressed music - but then using the semantics of the website  where's the "rock" element? Andrew Lloyd Weber on Desert island Discs, included Shostakovitch's 1st Cello Concerto, by stating it was the first "rock concerto". Could be but doesn't justify inclusion here. Terry Riley, could be special case as he has recorded a lot of his own work, and then for example Rainbow In Curved Air, Church of Anthrax are included in the "rock canon" and well as being referenced by various musicians - Townshend, Ratledge, and of course Curved Air
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

RILEY, TERRY


Oh.

Just let me edit my post...
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Then, Philipp Glass, Terry Riley, Karl-Heinz Stockhausen, Boulez, Olivier Messiaen, John Cage, etc...
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By the way for fans and the curious, check out this documentary that is available on youtube:
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Yes, because this great composer is widely accepted by the proggers. Of course he's not rock, but that argument is not valid for not addition to PA because in PA are so many others great artists who are also not rock at all, but they are here because they are accepted by Progressive Rock fanatics or (and) because they are influential to the genre.
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Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

In my mind, I categorize Steve Reich as repetitive to the point of me being unable to hear his music for more than an hour.
 
What do you folks think?

I like Different Trains though.

Which train is your favorite?

Metheny and Reich teaming up for Electronic Counterpoint was totally unexpected.


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Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Innovative and groundbreaking, yes.  Prog as in Prog Rock, no.  Worth listening to?  Absolutely.  For more than an hour?  Maybe.  For less than an hour?  Sure.
 
This - maybe change "maybe" to "no"
Very few artists last that long in way of listning, anything above 20-25 min (vinyl side), only the few chosen one's.
 
I can have a Gentle Gaint day, or a Fripp (crimson) day. Zepplin hours, ect.
Cant imagine i'll ever end up havin a Reich sunday.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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