Hello! Another Progressive Rock Fan!

ExittheLemming wrote: Snow Dog wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: This is hardly the place to be discussing such topics. So don't. To be fair the OP started with a manifesto so if we can't comment on it that simply is unfair. It wasn't a manifesto, just a list of political ideologies the OP has an affinity for (together with a whole load of other non political personal preferences) We have political and economic threads for everyone to use so take the discussion there please.

Edited by Snow Dog - November 30 2011 at 05:02

ProgressiveAttic wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Mitja wrote: <div id="post_message_2301073" style="font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: normal; : rgb214, 211, 214; ">Why Did I joined This Forum? To Meet fellow people with same ideas as meMusic: Fusion Jazz,Progressive Rock,Old RockInterests: Sports -Running,Skiing,Mountain Climbing,Gymnastics,Kayaking,MeditationLove: MeditationHate: Fashion,big consumers,Right Wingers,Army,Police,Guns,Capitalists,... anything that is righ-wing and religion and that doesn't respect mother earth Politics:Marxists,Left-Wing,Socialist,Green Party, Anything that fights for working class,and for keeping our planet clean. Inspiration: Karl Marx made an big impact on my way on how i thinkAnd also Che Guevara deserves some credit. Buddha Age: 14What i do in my spare time: Reading,Sports,Online Forums,Learning Linux,Meditating ....Vegetarian for 10 months why should an fat capitalist make money out of death of an animal  <div id="post_message_2301073" style=": rgb214, 211, 214; "><div id="post_message_2301073"><font ="apple-style-span"="" face="verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="line-height: normal;"></span> I can see we ain't gonna get on. I like the army. We need the police. And my local butcher isn't a capitalist. Just trying to earn a living. Where you from? Actually from what you write you are the sort of person I hate. And that probably works both ways. Welcome to PA regardless. A capitalist is someone that owns something (his capital) and since everyone here at least owns a computer and the underwear he/she wears we are all capitalists (including you, me, Mitja and your butcher)... and that doesn't make us bad (or fat) people!

This is hardly the place to be discussing such topics. So don't.

We're already discussing Nazis?

Mitja wrote: ProgressiveAttic wrote: I knew you had a great musical taste! Thanks for the history lesson! But you didn't prove that Nazis are Fascists... And if Nazis hated all socialists, why did they call their party National SOCIALIST? Nazis hated Marxism, which is just a branch of Socialism and they believed that there should not be social classes and in defending the workers while purging all non-aryans... My point is that the left-right terminology makes no sense since ideologies such as Nazism don't fit in any (being a workers' party and being nationalist makes them fit in both categories)... By the way, your personal views are directly influenced by Nazism, since Hitler pioneerd in environmental policy... So, what are you? left or right? Just say you are a Marxist! (but read The Capital first... Best way of leaving Marxism: actually understanding it!... After that I'll recommend reading some Hanna Arendt). Besides the politics (I do consider myself a Capitalist... Don't worry, I don't eat children) we have much in common: I also love ELP (Tarkus being my favorite album), Camel (specially The Snow Goose) and basically all of the groups you mentioned! If you want recommendations let me know! The Name isnt important NSDAP their politics didnt have anything to do with socialism!  And for the info i just asked my history teacher and my dad and my grandma-who lived in an socialistic country Yugoslavia and she said that back than she had the best years of her life.  And they all said that  germans hated socialism and the name didn have to do nothing with their politics ok on short: GERMANS HATED SOCIALISM  end of line. and im more of an: anarcho-communist,green anarchist.  But you should realy read something abour left-winger politics you dont have to be ultra left winger just try to read something about leftwing in books or the net (wikipedia,...)

Nazism has many elemental inconsistencies and one of them is Hitler's changing of views about socialism (not Marxism... in his book- which, by the way, isn't well written and is of no literary value- Mein Kampf he praises many socialists views) + his economic views have many socialist influences (he even made a law that forced companies to name representatives of the workers to participate in the company's decision-making) and are very similar to modern social-democratic economic ideas (no to speak about the Nazi environmental policies).

My point is that the left-right distinction makes no sense because each specific movement/ideology borrows elements from what is typically associated with both!

By the way, I've read Hegel (the predecessor of Marx's dialectic ideas), The Communist Manifesto, The Capital, Mein Kampf (which was a complete waste of my time...), many of Che Guevara's writings, Noam Chomsky and many others (+ I live in Venezuela where not being a socialist is not well seen even among the opposition to the regime and where Fidel Castro and Che Guevara are considered heroes). I know what socialism and Marxism are all about (I even live in it!)...

I live in socialist Venezuela and let me tell you something: you don't know what socialism/Marxism really is until you go to the supermarket and can't find milk or flour or oil! or you've seen this (a product of over 60 years of increasingly radical socialist governments):

(and this is the wealthiest city in the country)

That being said, I do respect anarchists more than other kinds of Marxists because it is a non-totalitarian response to Marxism and acknowledges the evil nature of government.

It is great that someone your age is really into politics but you still have much to read and live. As you grow up you'll see that not everything is black or white/right or left! But keep that interest and great music taste up!

Once again, welcome to the forum!

I was distracted by a wombat in a Santa suit

Mitja wrote: Why Did I joined This Forum? To Meet fellow people with same ideas as me Music: Fusion Jazz,Progressive Rock,Old Rock Interests: Sports -Running,Skiing,Mountain Climbing,Gymnastics,Kayaking,Meditation Love: Meditation Hate: Fashion,big consumers,Right Wingers,Army,Police,Guns,Capitalists,... anything that is righ-wing and religion and that doesn't respect mother earth  Politics:Marxists,Left-Wing,Socialist,Green Party, Anything that fights for working class,and for keeping our planet clean.  Inspiration: Karl Marx made an big impact on my way on how i think And also Che Guevara deserves some credit.  Buddha  Age: 14 What i do in my spare time: Reading,Sports,Online Forums,Learning Linux,Meditating .... Vegetarian for 10 months  why should an fat capitalist make money out of death of an animal    __________________

For a 14 year old you have my unstinting support (Yeah I know that sounds patronising but it ain't meant to be)
Most people I know your age are post modern careerists who consider giving a flying  f*ck just sooo passée
Let's slay this rawk nihilistic pig, stick a fork in their ass they're done


Edited by ExittheLemming - November 29 2011 at 05:35

Mmmm...steak!

Slaughternalia wrote: edgy pompous 14 year olds. We all go through that stage

I don't normally agree with you and hate your sig but you're right.

Capitalists making money off dead animals, pft. I mean, if you really think that you've got a long life ahead of you. I'm only 15 and I think that.

By the way, did you know it's natural for humans to eat meat? We've been doing it for centuries, I don't know why we have to think twice if a lion doesn't when they eat us.


Edited by The Truth - November 28 2011 at 22:59

Far be it from me to patronise a 14 year old with a healthy interest in politics, but....