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NetsNJFan
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Topic: Prog vs Classical Posted: July 04 2005 at 00:59 |
King of Loss wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
They are both great, my two favortite genres, (prog and classical), and both have different strengths and weaknesses. they are both lightyears ahead of everything else out there, but I happen to think (good) classical wins easily. |
Jazz/Fusion Jazz anyone? But I do agree. Good Classical is somewhat better than Prog, but I like Progressive Rock/Metal better.
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its like the other thread, I dont really like Jazz, but I respect it enormously (especially when you consider the enormous amount of sh*t out there)
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 16:24 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
They are both great, my two favortite genres, (prog and classical), and both have different strengths and weaknesses. they are both lightyears ahead of everything else out there, but I happen to think (good) classical wins easily. |
Jazz/Fusion Jazz anyone? But I do agree. Good Classical is somewhat better than Prog, but I like Progressive Rock/Metal better.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 16:13 |
NetsNJFan wrote:
They are both great, my two favortite genres, (prog and classical), and both have different strengths and weaknesses. they are both lightyears ahead of everything else out there, but I happen to think (good) classical wins easily. |
What about Jazz? Or Jazz/Classical Fusion like Gershwin or Ravel?
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 16:11 |
They are both great, my two favortite genres, (prog and classical), and both have different strengths and weaknesses. they are both lightyears ahead of everything else out there, but I happen to think (good) classical wins easily.
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nacho
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 14:52 |
bmorgan wrote:
Valarius wrote:
I'd definately go with Prog, however, I really like Classical music, but consider it more as a background music. |
BACKGROUND MUSIC????
HERETIC......OFF WITH HIS HEAD
just kidding
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Why kidding? I really think he should be tortured with a recording of LaBrie singing The Spice Girls Greatest Hits (over and over again)
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Eppur si muove
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goose
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 14:45 |
silvertree wrote:
I can't believe some people make "contests" like this one. Sounds like another cheap TV show !!!
Progressive Rock was nailed by intellectual music critics in the seventies because they thought it was being pretentious... and this led to its downfall and the rise of Punk. So don't show the critics they were right !
Progressive Rock has the word Rock. Don't forget it.
As for bands like Univers Zéro. I like to think that "Rock" doesn't necesserily mean a four men band with guitar, bass, drums and keys... this is where 'Progressive" comes in.
In my humble opinion of course.
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tuxon
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 14:27 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Prog obviously wins!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats why we are here isn't it?
If we prefered Classical we'd be on the Clas archives!
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For me it does, but only because I don't know many classical composers.
I like Stravinski, Tsjaikofski, Mozart, and some others very much.
However the best ballet-music is still 'Le Sacre du printemps' no prog can ever really compete with that if you'd ask me, which with this thread they did.
List of favourite classical compositions.
1. Le Sacre Du Printemps (Stravinski) 2. Firebird Suite (Stravinski) 3. Eroica (Beethoven) 4. Le Quatro Stagioni (Vivaldi) 5. Fifth Symphony (Beethoven) 6. Don Giovanni (Mozart) 7. 1812 (Tchaikovski)
don't know many more, I ussualy only listen to the overtures, or excerpts from symphonies and opera's, but I'm sure there are many more classical masterpieces to be discovered.
Annie way anyone know the classical counterpart to progarchives.
classicalarchives
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Odd24
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 11:25 |
bmorgan wrote:
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As far as my musical knowledge reaches: Leonard Bernstein was the first person in pop history (West Side Story, 1961) who combined classical music and pop.
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If I'm not right here, I would like to know...was Bernstein really the first person?
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George Gerschwin before him........
And also check out the piano compositions of Zez Confrey...
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Good to know...I do not know very much of what happened to popmusic before 1965 (I was born in 1973). Mainstream popmusic from 1960-1964 wasn't exactly my cup of tea. That actually gives a wrong impression on anything good made in popmusic before 1965...
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silvertree
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 10:30 |
I can't believe some people make "contests" like this one. Sounds like another cheap TV show !!!
Progressive Rock was nailed by intellectual music critics in the seventies because they thought it was being pretentious... and this led to its downfall and the rise of Punk. So don't show the critics they were right !
Progressive Rock has the word Rock. Don't forget it.
As for bands like Univers Zéro. I like to think that "Rock" doesn't necesserily mean a four men band with guitar, bass, drums and keys... this is where 'Progressive" comes in.
In my humble opinion of course.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 08:47 |
Valarius wrote:
I'd definately go with Prog, however, I really like Classical music, but consider it more as a background music. |
Go The Way You Go ...
I guess it's as difficult to "convert" a proghead to classical music as to convert a rock/pop fan to prog.
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bmorgan
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 08:41 |
Valarius wrote:
I'd definately go with Prog, however, I really like Classical music, but consider it more as a background music. |
BACKGROUND MUSIC????
HERETIC......OFF WITH HIS HEAD
just kidding
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The universe is wider than our views of it. - Thoreau
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 08:14 |
If you were wondering: Gershwin's Rhapsody In Blue was first performed in 1924. If you know any earlier mix of classical music and jazz (the closest thing to pop/rock back then) please let me know ...
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Valarius
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 07:44 |
I'd definately go with Prog, however, I really like Classical music, but consider it more as a background music.
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bmorgan
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 07:43 |
Odd24 wrote:
As far as my musical knowledge reaches: Leonard Bernstein was the first person in pop history (West Side Story, 1961) who combined classical music and pop. After that, Burt Bacharach, the Beatles and Brian Wilson did the same (and of course prog music after that).
Another amazing thing, Leonard Bernstein also combined pop and jazz. But still I think he made some concessions combining all these genres. But that was also the reason he did manage to get so many people together for a musical. And that's also the reason I do not find all of West Side Story that great (the best song from West Side Story "Mambo" was even left out on the LP, some concession...).
Andrew Lloyd Webber didn't make any concession at all in 1973 (Jesus Christ Superstar) and managed to combine pop and classical music in a much better way than Bernstein did. But Andrew wasn't the first...
If I'm not right here, I would like to know...was Bernstein really the first person?
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George Gerschwin before him........
And also check out the piano compositions of Zez Confrey...
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The universe is wider than our views of it. - Thoreau
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 05:13 |
bmorgan wrote:
boo boo wrote:
i respect the principles of classical music...though i can easly get bored with it, depending on the style, bach is too routine for my taste...im more into schoenberg, stravinsky and stuff along those lines...and gershwin for fusing classical music with jazz...anyway i like prog more, because it takes those same principles and fuses them into a rock setting, making it more accesible for my taste.
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Gershwin...da man!!!!
Doesn't get much better, IMHO !!!!! Yet, Berstein can be very jazzy himself.
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In another thread, I called Rhapsody In Blue the first prog epic ... not completely accurate, but it was quite progressive at the time. It fused classical music with the popular non-classical music of the time (Jazz).
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Odd24
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 04:56 |
As far as my musical knowledge reaches: Leonard Bernstein was the first person in pop history (West Side Story, 1961) who combined classical music and pop. After that, Burt Bacharach, the Beatles and Brian Wilson did the same (and of course prog music after that).
Another amazing thing, Leonard Bernstein also combined pop and jazz. But still I think he made some concessions combining all these genres. But that was also the reason he did manage to get so many people together for a musical. And that's also the reason I do not find all of West Side Story that great (the best song from West Side Story "Mambo" was even left out on the LP, some concession...).
Andrew Lloyd Webber didn't make any concession at all in 1973 (Jesus Christ Superstar) and managed to combine pop and classical music in a much better way than Bernstein did. But Andrew wasn't the first...
If I'm not right here, I would like to know...was Bernstein really the first person?
Edited by Odd24
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bmorgan
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Posted: July 03 2005 at 03:28 |
boo boo wrote:
i respect the principles of classical music...though i can easly get bored with it, depending on the style, bach is too routine for my taste...im more into schoenberg, stravinsky and stuff along those lines...and gershwin for fusing classical music with jazz...anyway i like prog more, because it takes those same principles and fuses them into a rock setting, making it more accesible for my taste.
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Gershwin...da man!!!!
Doesn't get much better, IMHO !!!!! Yet, Berstein can be very jazzy himself.
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The universe is wider than our views of it. - Thoreau
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boo boo
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Posted: July 02 2005 at 23:21 |
i respect the principles of classical music...though i can easly get bored with it, depending on the style, bach is too routine for my taste...im more into schoenberg, stravinsky and stuff along those lines...and gershwin for fusing classical music with jazz...anyway i like prog more, because it takes those same principles and fuses them into a rock setting, making it more accesible for my taste.
Edited by boo boo
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Shaman
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Posted: July 02 2005 at 23:09 |
Is prog as objectively complex as classical music? As a trumpet player, I have practiced and performed all types of music, even jazz-rock, fusion, or whatever you'd like to call it. I've studied music theory for two years in college before changing my major from music to philosophy. Classical music is without a doubt more difficult to compose, perform, analyze, AND experience than prog in general.
I agree with you bmorgan 100%, as a guitar player who performed in four rock bands (one prog) & studied music theory for years. I've studied and tried to play some music from Bach, Beethoven, Paganini & Vivaldi, and believe me it's not an easy task. Jazz is also very interesting to study and perform.
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Arsillus
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Posted: July 02 2005 at 22:17 |
"The greatest music ever made was made by people who wore wigs and stuff." -Frank Zappa
That's so true.
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