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    Posted: July 28 2011 at 04:28
I had a new listening to the double live: The best band you never heard in your life....Realy good, as good as New York....
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Originally posted by JasonL JasonL wrote:

Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

If you loved Hot Rats then I'd particularly recommend Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo (semi-sequels to Hot Rats, which saw Zappa applying similar aesthetic and compositional principles to a really *big* band), as well as Uncle Meat or Burnt Weeny Sandwhich, where you can hear the original Mothers of Invention lineup working on fusion-ish material which would end up influencing Hot Rats a lot.


I agree - that'll take you nicely into extended-jam-type territory.

 Can I also make a recommendation for Joe's Garage?  My personal favorite of Zappa's catalog (though I can't claim to have heard every FZ album ever), it has some tasty jamming, some catchy songs, and some pretty heartfelt stuff too, along with some very adolescent humor (par for the course).  It's not the most like the other stuff you've liked, but I think it borders it more closely than a lot of other FZ material.  Please let me know if you like it - I'm always spreading Joe's gospel.

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Yes Harder, dumb, Conehead, good ones but humour seems to be   over music through the album
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Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

Yes Joe's garage and Sheik Yerbouti are good too, You are what you is is only half good....
It are what it is and I like it whatever the hell it is.  I mean, Harder Than Your Husband, the dumb song, a conehead song.

By the whole catalog and head straight to the poorhouse. LOL


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 26 2011 at 07:16
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Yes Joe's garage and Sheik Yerbouti are good too, You are what you is is only half good....
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Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

If you loved Hot Rats then I'd particularly recommend Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo (semi-sequels to Hot Rats, which saw Zappa applying similar aesthetic and compositional principles to a really *big* band), as well as Uncle Meat or Burnt Weeny Sandwhich, where you can hear the original Mothers of Invention lineup working on fusion-ish material which would end up influencing Hot Rats a lot.


I agree - that'll take you nicely into extended-jam-type territory.

 Can I also make a recommendation for Joe's Garage?  My personal favorite of Zappa's catalog (though I can't claim to have heard every FZ album ever), it has some tasty jamming, some catchy songs, and some pretty heartfelt stuff too, along with some very adolescent humor (par for the course).  It's not the most like the other stuff you've liked, but I think it borders it more closely than a lot of other FZ material.  Please let me know if you like it - I'm always spreading Joe's gospel.
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Overnite sensation, Roxy and elsewhere, Zoot allures, Grand wazoo, Waka jawaka, Hot rats,One size fits all, Apostrophe, Broadway the hard way, The best band you never heard in your life,+ a few others.....
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If you loved Hot Rats then I'd particularly recommend Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo (semi-sequels to Hot Rats, which saw Zappa applying similar aesthetic and compositional principles to a really *big* band), as well as Uncle Meat or Burnt Weeny Sandwhich, where you can hear the original Mothers of Invention lineup working on fusion-ish material which would end up influencing Hot Rats a lot.
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Well, thanks everybody! I got Apostrophe and Hot Rats. Gues what, Hot Rats is my favourite!
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We're Only In it for the Money first, followed by Absolutely Free.  Uncle Meat is my personal favorite but that one's a bit easier to swallow if you're already a fan.
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Don't eat that yellow snow.  Oh wait, that's advice from Frank Zappa.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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What everybody else said, and Roxy and Elsewhere.
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Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

I'd suggest, Apostrophe, Overnite Sensation, You Are What You Is, and Sheik Yerbuti.
 
Agreed.
 
I'd also add Freak Out!, Absolutely Free and We're Only In It For The Money since you like the early compilation album.
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Points: 617 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2011 at 16:01
Though the obvious caveat with Uncle Meat is to avoid the "penalty tracks" appended to most CD editions - the two extracts from the film and Tengo Na Minchia Tanta. When you're listening to the second CD, skip those and go straight to King Kong, you'll be happier that way.
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Originally posted by Warthur Warthur wrote:

Is it this one? http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5421

If so the material on there's all from Frank's earliest albums with the original Mothers of Invention lineup. Depending on which tracks you're most fond of, I'd recommend Absolutely Free and We're Only In It For the Money first, which are the best of the early Mothers psychedelic-era material (and if you're really into them, I'd also recommend Freak Out!, but I'd put it a shade lower in priority to the other two). If you like them, then you might want to try the lineup's other albums - Uncle Meat and Burnt Weeny Sandwich are excellent, Weasels Ripped My Flesh is also pretty good (and includes a few out-takes from We're Only In It For the Money), Cruising With Ruben and the Jets should probably be steered clear from unless you're really into the band's output because it consists entirely of mostly-sincere doo-wop material and isn't really much like their other stuff.

If you want to branch out into Zappa's later band lineups, then there's a whole world out there to explore and it might be best to come back for more recommendations after you've digested the early Mothers material and decided what you like about it. But I can recommend Hot Rats as being a really, really good early fusion album, and One Size Fits All as being a good album from the highly-regarded mid-70s backing band.
also Uncle Meat.
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Points: 617 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2011 at 06:55
The thing is he's saying the Zappa stuff he's heard and liked is on the Mothermania compilation, and I think Hot Rats is closer to the early Mothers sound than Apostrophe/Overnite Sensation/One Size are.

Though those three are excellent albums.
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Originally posted by Ruby900 Ruby900 wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Apostrophe (')
Over-Nite Sensation
One Size Fits All
Good call - Hot rats?


HR doesn't seem to jibe with his stated tastes.
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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Apostrophe (')
Over-Nite Sensation
One Size Fits All
Good call - Hot rats?
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Points: 6088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2011 at 05:58
Apostrophe (')
Over-Nite Sensation
One Size Fits All
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I'd suggest, Apostrophe, Overnite Sensation, You Are What You Is, and Sheik Yerbuti.
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