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    Posted: March 30 2014 at 16:20
Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Anyone who enjoyed the excellent 'Judgment' debut album will find plenty of interest in Craig's new album 'Projective Instruments' too. It was released at the end of February: http://nototherwisespecified.bandcamp.com/album/projective-instruments, and is currently on progstreaming too: http://www.progstreaming.com/_wb/pages/play-album.php?activeAlbum=00694+-+Not+Otherwise+Specified+-+Projective+Instruments.   Thumbs Up
Should give this a listen, the debut was impressive considering it was a single person's work.
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Points: 6835 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2014 at 16:13
Anyone who enjoyed the excellent 'Judgment' debut album will find plenty of interest in Craig's new album 'Projective Instruments' too. It was released at the end of February: http://nototherwisespecified.bandcamp.com/album/projective-instruments, and is currently on progstreaming too: http://www.progstreaming.com/_wb/pages/play-album.php?activeAlbum=00694+-+Not+Otherwise+Specified+-+Projective+Instruments.   Thumbs Up
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Points: 3659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2012 at 12:43

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You'll probably find everything you need right here: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Not-Otherwise-Specified/229858410373903?sk=info. Probably best if you edit it yourself rather than me do it...and then you having to do it all over again anyway!! LOL

Edited by yam yam - January 20 2012 at 21:09
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A bio would be much appreciated Wink
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Points: 6835 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2012 at 20:20
Cleared last week for addition to Heavy Prog: http://progfreak.com/Not-Otherwise-Specified-142173.html?path=pa/heavy_prog.  Clap
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^They're under "new" on Heavy right now, so they (should) be dealt with in the next couple weeks. My plan is to clear and add all bands with 2011 albums before February 20th (the deadline for Collab AOTY lists to be in)
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Ermmm...didn't you mean a lot longer still!!  Songs Of The Exile have now been cleared for Heavy Prog Clap, but take a look at this again:
 
 

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DateUserChartAction
1MDamoXt7942Neo (DamoXt7942)
2Mandyman1125Heavy (andyman1125)
2MbonnekHeavy (bonnek)
2MbonnekHeavy-> New
3MDamoXt7942Neo-> Move
3MpsarrosNeo (psarros)
3MlazlandNeo (lazland)
5MDamoXt7942Neo (DamoXt7942)
5MDamoXt7942Neo-> New
5MbonnekMetal-> Move
5MbonnekMetal (bonnek)
5MbonnekMetal-> New
5MbonnekMetal-> Move
6MaapatsosMetal (aapatsos)
7MRune2000Metal (Rune2000)
7MCCVPMetal (CCVP)
7MCCVPMetal (CCVP)
7MCCVPMetal (CCVP)
7MbonnekMetal (bonnek)
7MbonnekMetal-> New
 
 
Since my last post in mid-November the poor bloke has been moved to Heavy Prog, kicked out of Heavy prog, moved to Neo Prog again, kicked out of Neo Prog again...and now it seems he is homeless once again...!! Cry
 
I bet he doesn't know whether he wants a s..t or a haircut at the moment!!! Shocked
 
This was one of the best prog albums of 2011 imho...why can't we find a place for it here?? (I still think Heavy Prog is where it really belongs, with Prog Metal as second choice). If all else fails, let's at least see if Crossover will consider him (it is they or Ecelctic who usually end up with the artists who are definitely prog, but that no one else seems to want). I don't see it as Neo Prog at all - there are odd passages of Neo dotted about in it for sure, but not enough to merit its inclusion in the sub genre.
 
Surely this has gone on long enough now?? Unhappy
 
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Points: 4521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 02:23

As to SOTE, we'll try to get that last vote for Heavy, if it doesn't fly then they can be cleared in Prog Metal right away.

Not Otherwise Specified only has one vote so that will take a bit longer still.


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^^ There is probably more genuine Prog Metal on their latest album "Reasons" than the other three full albums they released (the self-titled 1993 release was really just a 5-track demo) - but even here they seem to drift into Neo Prog territory (and other sub genres too, which I daren't even attempt to identify...) pretty well whenever they feel like it. The only albums I have in full are "Reasons" itself and the 2003 album "Time To End". There are some short samples from the other albums on YouTube:  see http://www.youtube.com/user/gertonleijdekker, some live clips too, and one full track (called simply "I") uploaded by someone else from the 1995 album "And About Time": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOJ9yAcbkeQ. I don't know what material you already have, (the last two albums can be streamed up to 3 times each on Mindawn.com if you are registered there), but if you need these 2 albums to listen offline to help you with your evaluation, I will gladly p.m. you with the necessary info.
 
This band definitely belong on here, and the only two alternatives from my own point of view would be either Prog Metal or Heavy Prog - & there are probably equal amounts of each in their repertoire. The Neo Prog they touch on from time to time is only a secondary aspect of their music as far as I'm concerned, particularly in their later stuff. 
 
Edit: ^ Two yes votes in Heavy already!! You're almost there!!  Thumbs Up


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They're on the heavy chart under a different name (their real name). I missed the fun of adding them to another chart. LOL
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Points: 4521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2011 at 10:27

oh, SOTE, those guys, we had quite a couple of yeses in metal, maybe I should have another look, any idea what their most meteul release might be?
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The band that Olav has highlighted in the last but one post is the Dutch power trio S.O.T.E. (Songs Of The Exile), who have been around since 1993, and made 5 releases so far - the latest being the 2008 album "Reasons". Their music is all over the map really, so I can understand why this has proved to be such a tough cookie to crack!  LOL
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^ Now I'mcurious which band that is.


Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:


Don't we have all of those things fairly abundantly represented pretty-well throughout this album (admittedly alongside alongside a few passages here and there that are perhaps a bit closer to neo prog, which is probably my favourite sub genre of them all)? It certainly isn't Prog Metal from my own understanding of what that sub genre is all about (which is probably totally wrong, but such is life!



That was my final analysis as well so you're probably not too far off with your understanding, that or either I am as well Tongue

It looks like there is a bit more material now to eval, why not 'Heavy Neo Prog' then Wacko



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Heh, if you guys think this eval is taking it's good long time, we have many in the system - some added and some still doing the rounds - that have taken far longer to settle. Like this one, as one example of many:

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3M Evolver Crossover -> Move
3M Warthur Crossover (Warthur)
3M Evolver Crossover (Evolver)
3M Evolver Crossover (Evolver)
4M Chris Stacey Crossover (Chris Stacey)
4M Chris Stacey Crossover (Chris Stacey)
4M MartyMcFly89 Crossover (MartyMcFly89)
4M Evolver Crossover -> New
7M Kazuhiro Neo -> Move
7M Kazuhiro Neo (Kazuhiro)
7M NecronCommander Metal (NecronCommander)
8M DamoXt7942 Neo (DamoXt7942)
8M DamoXt7942 Neo (DamoXt7942)
8M DamoXt7942 Neo -> New
8M bonnek Metal -> Move
8M bonnek Metal (bonnek)
8M CCVP Metal (CCVP)
8M Rune2000 Metal (Rune2000)
8M bonnek Metal (bonnek)
8M bonnek Metal (bonnek)
10M bonnek Metal (bonnek)
2y AnyColourYouLike Metal (AnyColourYouLike)
2y clarke2001 Eclectic -> Removed
2y Logan Eclectic (Logan)
3y UMUR Metal (UMUR)
3y J-Man Metal (J-Man)
3y J-Man Metal (J-Man)
3y Plankowner Metal -> New
3y RicochetK Eclectic -> Move
3y RicochetK Eclectic -> Discuss
3y clarke2001 Eclectic (clarke2001)
3y RicochetK Eclectic (RicochetK)
3y RicochetK Eclectic -> New
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Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2011 at 22:15
Great post David - I'll check them for HP at some point. Right now I'm gettin a little sleepy...Sleepy
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Points: 6835 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2011 at 21:42
^ Indeed it is, but it's now been almost six months since the suggestion was first posted on here - time we found this guy a home! So let's first have a look at exactly what's happened over all that time:
 
 
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DateUserChartAction
27dDamoXt7942Neo-> Move
27dpsarrosNeo (psarros)
2MlazlandNeo (lazland)
3MDamoXt7942Neo (DamoXt7942)
4MDamoXt7942Neo-> New
4MbonnekMetal-> Move
4MbonnekMetal (bonnek)
4MbonnekMetal-> New
4MbonnekMetal-> Move
4MaapatsosMetal (aapatsos)
5MRune2000Metal (Rune2000)
5MCCVPMetal (CCVP)
5MCCVPMetal (CCVP)
5MCCVPMetal (CCVP)
6MbonnekMetal (bonnek)
6MbonnekMetal-> New
 
Hmmm, quite a lot...and yet at the same time absolutely nothing! Seems to me that neither Prog Metal or Neo want him, and at the moment he is right back where he started, without actually being in anyone's chart any more, so where next?
 
Well, let me start by saying that I have been listening to prog in all its various forms for a little over 40 years now, though I have always done so purely as someone who loves music from almost any genre or sub genre that isn't syrupy pop, tuneless rap, or the modern trance-inducing, mind-numbing jungle music that all the kids today seem to enjoy bopping about to at their parties, discos etc. I have never been one to analyse or attempt to categorise my music in any way...until I found these forums quite recently, that is. Consequently I have nowhere near the experience that the rest of you guys have at being able to spot what is 'Post/Math Rock', 'RIO/Avant-Prog', 'Indo-Prog/Raga Rock', and all the other weird and wonderful names that mankind has come up with over the years for this wonderful gift God gave us called 'music'. However, when I listen to this album, and then read the definition of 'Heavy Prog' as written on the page devoted to it here in progarchives, I'm left thinking "what's the problem here"?
 
The progarchives definition of Heavy Prog is pretty concise, so I'm going to paste the whole thing right here:
 
"Heavy Prog defines progressive rock music that draws as much influence from hard rock as it does from classic progressive rock. In simple terms, it is a marriage of the guitar-based heavy blues of the late 1960s and 1970s - artists such as Cream, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath - and the progressive/symphonic movement represented by King Crimson, Yes and Genesis.

The electric guitar, amplified to produce distortion (or 'overdrive') is a crucial element, providing the 'heavy' tone required for this aggressive style, and later for the British and North American heavy metal of the late 1970s and 80s. The primary rock format of drums, bass and guitar with keys and/or vocals on top is represented strongly in heavy prog. The presence of the Hammond organ with its deep, intense rumble was also common among harder progressive groups such as ATOMIC ROOSTER. Although certain other acts, such as King Crimson and Jethro Tull, utilize a heavy guitar, bass and keyboard sound, the bulk of their work over the years puts them in a different category".

Don't we have all of those things fairly abundantly represented pretty-well throughout this album (admittedly alongside alongside a few passages here and there that are perhaps a bit closer to neo prog, which is probably my favourite sub genre of them all)? It certainly isn't Prog Metal from my own understanding of what that sub genre is all about (which is probably totally wrong, but such is life!). I guess the only way we're going to really find out is to listen to the album, and since Craig has hitherto been extremely generous in the way he has provided free access to his music for anybody who is actually prepared to sit down and listen to it, I don't think he will object if I post the whole thing right here, right now - using the videos that HE himself uploaded to YouTube...

So here goes:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
So there you have it - and if you don't listen to anything else on this page, just try and spend 9 minutes of your time on the sixth video down this list...It's called "Morning", and it's an absolute belter! To someone like me who primarily listens to music in general (and prog in particular) simply because of the sheer enjoyment he gets from it, this album is probably one of the best of the year so far. It should have been on progarchives a long long time ago.
 
Let's fix that now...


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Sorry for not getting back, so far most of us have seen the prog rock merit in the music but it is unsure which sub it would be best suited for. At this moment the neo-prog team is looking into it.

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Let me know if you need anything for the review.

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