The Meaning of Prog

Currently made 180 gram vinyl is mastered correctly. Just incase anyone was wondering. 

 I will expand some on a Zappa remark that says something like " Talking about music is like dancing about architecture"...it seems funny but doesnt stand a closer analysis...firstly because you cannot dance about something...it doesnt follow...is semantically a bad use of the combination of the words dance and about....!But hey you can speak or think about music and about architecture! And why is going to be different to talk about architecture or music? They both involve aesthetic concepts and formal concepts and conceptual interrelations between both...so whats the difference?.

Edited by shockedjazz - August 01 2011 at 18:38

Paravion wrote:   rogerthat wrote: ...and it is better to "go with the flow" rather than give entirely different colours to the word "meaning" Really?

Edited by rogerthat - March 19 2011 at 06:17

Enjoyed the blog. Particularly the part about your job. I have a family member in stage 5 dementia. After several years of trying to  find something to stimulate her into something resembling her former self, I accidentally stumbled upon music which I had tried before but not country music. She never cared too much for music let alone country but for some reason she now loves country music.

Well, first of all: information I receive from the way client play music or to which music they listen to has nothing to do with 'facts', but it can be a good hint. Furthermore, music that clients play in improvisations is way more reliable as a source of information then their musical taste in general.

The behavior of the inner world and the outer world of a person is most of the time in corrolation. Inner needs/feelings can be projected to behavior that others can see. For instance; when I feel chaotic in my mind I always feel the need to clean my room.

For healthy people the link between the inner needs and feelings and their developed musical taste is sometimes hard to make. For instance; your 'acid rock' can be a projection of a very troubled mind that seekes recognition in chaotic/confronting music. As if seeking for an allie.

Another possibility is that you are stable and healthy and just love that adventerious sound of free experimentation. In this case the music can project a need for adventure, which dissonant/chaotic music can give. Perhaps the music is a test or an exciting challange for your feeling of stability, knowing you can always safely return to your healthy state. This way it may also be a part of the excitement of learning new skills (as children do when they are playing). Music has representative qualities the mind fully accepts, so music can help you learn do deal with situations it represents.

Edited by friso - March 07 2011 at 04:23

Signifying meaning - without necessarily trying to put into words what that meaning is - to things one adores is, simply put, HUMAN TENDENCY.  What is semantically satisfying or consistent to you - Paravion - may not be consistent with human nature.  For some people, a sense of meaning may be important to derive purpose in life and they may not be satisfied with simply saying they bask in the experience because it would seem to be a rather rudderless life if one were only hopping from one experience to another.  Are empires built and brought down that way, are long held sports records broken that way, do musicians toil hard to master their craft that way, by only soaking in experience and with no inclination at all to move towards some goals, be they abstract and undefinable? 

friso wrote: Yeah, I would rather have seen some reactions that would give a hint towards whether my blog is useful or not.

 

Well-written entry, thanks.  Sounds like an interesting field to study for sure.

Paravion wrote: Larkthestarless wrote: Don't see the need for the fancy models You don't? It's not a fancy model  - it's a classic triangle of signification (semiotic triangle) that in gross simplicity simply tells (much more efficiently than words) that there is no direct relationship between a word and it's referen(t/ces) - meaning is mediated through a concept AND the concept isn't a question of what we happen to interpret it to be for ourselves.         I guess the thing is that I'd like to express that meaning is highly complex - and that this blog bearing the lofty (dare I say pretentious..)  title "The Meaning of Prog" (I take it literately, and the serious tone suggests that we ought to) should perhaps consider this complexity more thoroughly or be titled differently. Friso wrote: ..useful or not.. I'm not interested in and am unable to make such calls. To me, it's not - if the purpose is to reveal insights about the meaning of prog. Expect for that little piece of polemics - it's an interesting read with some good points - maybe useful, perhaps not.

...or perhaps it was an intimate review about some matters that crossed my mind lately, that seem to be suited for the concept of a blog. I really dislike the fact you've set this negative tone for a discussion that could have been really interesting.   

Yeah, I would rather have seen some reactions that would give a hint towards whether my blog is useful or not.