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Enjoy it ... but some of you won't read it because it is a bit long ... ohhh damn ... someone has something to say!

I thought you were older that. I didn't read it because based on your post I presumed the link would take me to some silly teenager's forum.

moshkito wrote:

you want to write whatever you want and no one is gonna do anything about it ... and that's ok ... and after a while all you have is good stuff buried along side all the crap ... how nice ... well, to be fiar, flowers do grow on dung!

I sympathize with this complaint, and it will only get worse over time, but it is part of what makes this place dynamic and open, and as someone said awhile back; we wouldn't want things to become like masonry LOL

.. and at least collab reviews are separated

Snow Dog wrote:

I suspect that Moshkito made this thread due to me. From a comment I made elswhere. Glad I'm not going mad.

Don't you think that would be a bit personal and not worth my time or yours?

I just happened onto that article and it was a very good article and I sympathise with Steven from a literary point of view ... I was born in a house with 40k books of Portuguese, Brazilian and Spanish Literature and while I have not gotten to the big banana in the literary circles, I can tell you that my dad, in my family, did, and he is in the Brittanica, if you care to be curious enough ... and all I'm asking and suggesting, is ... that we raise the standard a bit ... Snow Dog might not enjoy it, because his one word euphemisms might take a hit ... but that's ok ... he can do 2 word euphemisms and anything else too!

Basically, if you or I were teaching a class and had to grade folks on these things, a good 25% would not get very good ratings ... and you and I would ask for a rewrite, or it would be removed. But what you are saying is that you want to write whatever you want and no one is gonna do anything about it ... and that's ok ... and after a while all you have is good stuff buried along side all the crap ... how nice ... well, to be fiar, flowers do grow on dung!

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Sean Trane wrote:

Indeed, Wilson has been pumping essentially the same music ever since Stupid Dreams (whether solo, blackfield or PT and hundreds of other collabs). He's got an instantly recognizable sonic paw, but he's been selling essentialkly the same thing over the years....

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Please ...

That's like saying that Picasso never did ... or Mozart, where half of his stuff was so repetitive it was boring! ... or anyone else.

Ohhh c'mon ... like Harry Potter isn't? Or Chainsaw Massacre 69?

Give it a break ... that is not even a review of their work! That's just a comment that YOU are not hearing what you want ... and my suggestion would be ... go listen to something else! Why would you want to waste your time with crap? ... where is the logic in writing that, when there is so much good stuff that you can be writing about?

In between on a forum or something, just say ... nah, grew out of it 10 years ago ... end of story ...

It makes it all look like the very typical discussion and arguments that we have that the public "owns" the artist ... and they don't, and never will ... and if you don't like it, specially in the advertising age, go buy Lady Gaga! Don't waste your money on PT, or bothering saying anything!

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com

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Also, you shouldn't feel compelled to oppose him simply because you're on a website he's describing, perhaps even one he's thinking of, since we've had entertaining run ins with him before. I think he would recognize the prog reviewers as being an informed opinion, although they don't have the blessing of somebody working for dead media, so maybe not.

I think this is missing the point of the discussion and taking things a bit further than necessary.

The request is for the writing to be a bit more than just a bar room discussion, which is a fun discussion amidst friends, not a "review" or a "literary criticism" as things are usually done and marked up in Europe.

In America, no one cares because "literary criticism" doesn't exist and the only thing that you can find is kissash stuff on stars ... so because the music is about that ... you are critical ... and if you want to write a review about that do so, but don't sit here like in a drunken rumble after a few extra beers on a Saturday Night with all of us ... but in the end, politeness is what gets you somewhere ... it may not be your favorite .. fine ... DON'T WRITE ABOUT IT ... but no ... your ego has to say something ... and at that point the review dies, because you are NOT being objective.

Please separate your personal feelings on this ... has nothing to do with anything else. Make it look like you are having to write an essay for your English teacher (Dean of course!) and it is due tomorrow, or Snow Dog, the enforcer, is not going to be very happy!

Forget the person stuff that you don't like that you find hippocritical ... show your class and ability by talking about something else that you find better ... and leave PT behind.

My preference is for not writing about bands of things that I have no preference with ... I am not going to sit here and trash something I don't like ... but a somment like the one above belongs in an board/forum, not in a review. Any teacher would give yo a D at best and tell you to go home and rewrite it, by taking the anger out. Which as you wrote it, you didn't do!

And that is a very fair request. IF, you can not write without the anger, and put together a review, then it is not a review ... it is a personal feeling that tickles your bullocks ... but I'm sure that you are intelligent enough to write something orderly and without the need to be angry and still make your point.

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75626&PN=2&title=is-progarchives-too-progressive-for-its-own-good

I'm not sure what Mosh's point he is trying to make...but all I can think of is maybe some of the "bad" reviews that get posted. I don't do reviews because they are exactly that... my opinion...and my opinion is no better than the next persons.

What I don't think is being used correctly is the rating system. A 1 star does not mean its "krapp, horrible, junk, never should been issued, don't buy it"...yet people use it to express their opinion more when they feel that is the case.

If I am not mistaken there is no rating for "junk".

Maybe Moshkito needs to "review" his original post and amend it to convey his feelings better.....sometimes it is hard for some to express their true feelings in the first shot.

One of the most important thing in a review is the listener's opinion about the music. if I wanted to get a history lesson about a genre that doesn't mean anything or some verbal bullsh*t Pitchfork w**kery, I would read Pitchfork and then shower afterward because that site is full of twit reviewers. Maybe their review is clever, whatever.

1) Listen to music
2) Describe feel, tone, timbre of the music
3) Describe production aesthetic
4) Describe any highs and especially jarring lows
5) Determine whether the lyrics are actually good (hard for prog rock, I know)
6) Describe how the songs make you feel

If you can do those well with accuracy to how you envision the album, and your vocabulary and flow isn't horrible, congrats you just wrote one of the least pretentious, most helpful, and best reviews on the Internet.

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Music especially lyrical music is opinion.

Reviews are opinions.

It's best to back up the opinions with examples.

We don't always do that.

So what?

Read, and use the opinions that matter to you.

Discount the rest.

Problem solved.

Trust me. I know what I'm doing.

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