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    Posted: December 15 2010 at 21:25
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Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

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ibn al-Haytham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham

The guy is awesome and under-appreciated.


It's a poll, not your favorite scientist of all time.

He isn't my favorite scientist; al-Haytham is just my favorite early scientist. (Some argue that he is the first scientist, actually, but figuring out how that really was is a waste of time and probably undefinable.)



It's a poll, not your favorite early scientist of all time.

So?



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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

 

ibn al-Haytham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham

The guy is awesome and under-appreciated.


It's a poll, not your favorite scientist of all time.

He isn't my favorite scientist; al-Haytham is just my favorite early scientist. (Some argue that he is the first scientist, actually, but figuring out how that really was is a waste of time and probably undefinable.)



It's a poll, not your favorite early scientist of all time.

So?
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Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

ibn al-Haytham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham

The guy is awesome and under-appreciated.


It's a poll, not your favorite scientist of all time.

He isn't my favorite scientist; al-Haytham is just my favorite early scientist. (Some argue that he is the first scientist, actually, but figuring out how that really was is a waste of time and probably undefinable.)



It's a poll, not your favorite early scientist of all time.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

ibn al-Haytham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham

The guy is awesome and under-appreciated.


It's a poll, not your favorite scientist of all time.

He isn't my favorite scientist; al-Haytham is just my favorite early scientist. (Some argue that he is the first scientist, actually, but figuring out how that really was is a waste of time and probably undefinable.)
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Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

ibn al-Haytham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham

The guy is awesome and under-appreciated.


It's a poll, not your favorite scientist of all time.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Originally posted by Kestrel Kestrel wrote:

Some of you might find this blog post interesting: http://thonyc.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/galileo’s-great-bluff-and-part-of-the-reason-why-kuhn-is-wrong/  

Discusses Galileo's role in the astronomy debate and how the history of Renaissance astronomy is way more complicated than we are normally taught. Great stuff.

Wow that does look interesting, I'll have to read it after my astronomy final tomorrow. I want to only remember what they actually taught us at uni for when it countsLOL
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Some of you might find this blog post interesting: http://thonyc.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/galileo’s-great-bluff-and-part-of-the-reason-why-kuhn-is-wrong/  

Discusses Galileo's role in the astronomy debate and how the history of Renaissance astronomy is way more complicated than we are normally taught. Great stuff.



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ibn al-Haytham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham

The guy is awesome and under-appreciated.



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Yeah you're probably right, that's why I went with Kepler in the poll.
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The same could be said of Democritus and the model of the atom. The same can probably be said for thousands of others throughout history.

There's a crucial difference though. For these lesser figures we can point to one accomplishment or some major accomplishment they almost predated  historically. With somone like Newton can point to numerous major discoveries that they actually made.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

If you're implying that any of those compare to Newtown or Euler or Lagrange then that's moronic. The only serious ones on that strange table you posted are Euclid or Pappus. 
 
I wouldn't be so quick to discount Aristarchus...if he had the technology to acquire proof, the heliocentric model would be credited to his name.
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Hiring Kepler turned out to be a bad move for him didn't it though?
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Newton, because he invented calculus, formulated the laws of mechanics and gravitation, and devised those nifty grooves on the edges of coins

Euler, for all kinds of good stuff, but especially for that rotation theorem, and even more especially for combining e, i, pi, 1, and 0 into one beautiful equation:  e^{i pi}+1=0

Kepler, because I do orbital mechanics for a living

Brahe, for having his own island and for having a spare nose and for hiring Kepler

Lagrange, because free-body diagrams are a PitA when you don't have to do them

Galileo, for removing the meta from physics 
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I personally miss more "modern" mathematicians like David Hilbert and Henri Lebesgue, but it's Henry's poll, he set the parameters and I ain't complaining.
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Henry obviously chose a certain time frame to serve as the population, so I don't quite understand the point of your post. I think we're all well aware that Mathematics and science did not begin in Europe during the Enlightenment. With regards to your point though, you've neglected the many contributions of Chinese and Middle-Eastern Mathematicians.

I don't believe I need to do a search for any on the list. Not to be arrogant, but I would wager that I know more about them then you do. The fact is that even the shorten list you mentioned can't seriously be considered close to the same plane a Fermat or a Leibniz. Pythagoras is particularly strange because we don't even know any results which he personally acquired. 
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I do not imply that all of those are, but your statement is absolute (to say the least). I meant to show the numbers of ancient mathematicians providing the basis for what we know today - not necessarily implying all where of the same importance.

A quick search for Thales, Pythagoras, Democritus, Aristarchus might change your mind of the "serious ones".
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If you're implying that any of those compare to Newtown or Euler or Lagrange then that's moronic. The only serious ones on that strange table you posted are Euclid or Pappus. 
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^ other is my obvious choice... ;)
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Well, I like Descartes, also in part for his ontological studies.

Also, a nod goes out to Fermat for being history's most epic troll.
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