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dennismoore 
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 18:38 |
 richardh wrote:
Brain Salad Surgery & Trilogy 5.1 remixes are coming out soon. What Lucky Men we are!
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I can't wait for those remixes especially BSS which has been ballsed up so many times its untrue. The deluxe edition was a massive let down which is a shame as the deluxe editions of Pictures and WBMFTTSTNE are excellent and well worth having. BSS remains my favourite album but I would like to be able to listen to it without it hurting my ears  [/QUOTE] Have you heard the DVD-Audio 5.1 release of BSS about 8 years ago? I think it is amazing.
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 17:13 |
richardh said: Works 2 should have been a bonus CD for Works Volume One which is actually what happened when it was reissued in its 'deluxe edition'. Its has some great tracks and in fact nothing on it could be called 'mediocre'... ----------------- I guess that's why it received a 2.32 rating here at PA.....for collectors and fans only.
Edited by dr wu23 - June 19 2013 at 21:51
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 01:27 |
Rando wrote:
Rush77 wrote:
Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them
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I always felt they were three unique and incredibly talented individuals trying to be a band or some type of musical trio. I never felt them as a cohesive unit. I mean, I love all the music and the albums up to Brain Salad Surgery. I was expecting Keith Emerson's next musical interpretation was going to be Stravinsky's The Rite Of Spring, I knew Greg Lake would include a beautiful acoustic song, and Carl Palmer could blast any drummer out of their kit!
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Fair comment. ELP however could play incredibly tight when they needed to. Aquartarkus (live) shows just what they could do when all three were on the same page.
Interesting you mention Stravinsky as Carl Palmer named him as one of his favourites! Despite that they never went there. Would have been interesting.
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 01:20 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Bitterblogger wrote:
It seems they ran out of ideas as a group after Works Vol. 1. Works 2 is obviously a hastily compiled contractual obligation, and Love Beach is entirely the wrong direction. By then, they were ready for separate new horizons personally as well (a nice way of saying they couldn't get along anymore): film soundtracks for Keith, solo career for Lake, and PM and later Asia for Palmer. |
Works 2 isn't a contractual obligation and technically neither was LB, but it was kind of forced on them at a time when they needed to haave a break |
That may be but they are still very mediocre music to come from such talented musicians. |
Works 2 should have been a bonus CD for Works Volume One which is actually what happened when it was reissued in its 'deluxe edition'.
Its has some great tracks and in fact nothing on it could be called 'mediocre' but the problem was that they more or less included everything they had left lying around that was recorded over 4 years. Some of the tracks were from the BSS sessions and some were from Works sessions and some were just solo tracks. As a fan I want it and that's why it was released.
Love Beach is a another thing altogether. I still believe they were only 3-4 tracks short of a decent album. It could have done with better production as well. It needed more work to get in shipshape but at the time they were (as Snow Dog mentions) desperately needing a break. The Works tour was a massive undertaking and they needed more time. They could have waited until teh storm of punk and new wave had finally blown over and then maybe recorded again perhaps in 1980. Hindsight is a great thing of course!
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 01:10 |
dennismoore wrote:
Rush77 wrote:
Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them |
As far as ELP being rated low, I don't wish to come across as trite but a reality check provides:
A. Ratings are for a**holes(just like broken hearts  ) B. The masses are asses(not my quote)
ELP set the standard for musicianship for actually "knowing how to play" an instrument.
The 2nd concert I ever saw was ELP with a full orchestra in New York in 1977. My life has never been
the same. All I can say is:
Brain Salad Surgery & Trilogy 5.1 remixes are coming out soon. What Lucky Men we are!
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I can't wait for those remixes especially BSS which has been ballsed up so many times its untrue. The deluxe edition was a massive let down which is a shame as the deluxe editions of Pictures and WBMFTTSTNE are excellent and well worth having. BSS remains my favourite album but I would like to be able to listen to it without it hurting my ears
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 21:06 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Bitterblogger wrote:
It seems they ran out of ideas as a group after Works Vol. 1. Works 2 is obviously a hastily compiled contractual obligation, and Love Beach is entirely the wrong direction. By then, they were ready for separate new horizons personally as well (a nice way of saying they couldn't get along anymore): film soundtracks for Keith, solo career for Lake, and PM and later Asia for Palmer. |
Works 2 isn't a contractual obligation and technically neither was LB, but it was kind of forced on them at a time when they needed to haave a break |
That may be but they are still very mediocre music to come from such talented musicians.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:58 |
Rush77 wrote:
Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them
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ELP was the very first prog band I got into so they always hold a special place for me. At the age of 15 I bought "Brain Salad Surgery" because I loved the title and cover. Bought "Welcome Back My Friends..." a couple weeks later and I was on my way. Turned my best teenage friend on to them and we used say, "Of course they're great! Greg is the greatest singer, Keith the greatest keyboardist, and Carl has no equal on drums (except maybe Buddy Rich)." Bought all the early catalog and loved them...until...
Works V1 was a huge disappointment. I was expecting another Brain Salad Surgery but instead I hated the 3 solo sides, thought Fanfare was boring, and just plain couldn't stand the orchestra on Pirates. I still believe that Pirates would have been unbelievable had Keith used the Moog-Hammond combo instead of that awful Yamaha GX1 and orchestra. When I saw them in 1977 on the Works tour, they'd already dropped the orchestra which made me very happy.
When Love Beach came out, I loved "Memoirs..." much more than anything on Works V1, but it was still a far cry from BSS...a level they sadly never returned to. But what can I say, they were my first prog love!
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:52 |
Rush77 wrote:
Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them |
As far as ELP being rated low, I don't wish to come across as trite but a reality check provides:
A. Ratings are for a**holes(just like broken hearts ) B. The masses are asses(not my quote)
ELP set the standard for musicianship for actually "knowing how to play" an instrument.
The 2nd concert I ever saw was ELP with a full orchestra in New York in 1977. My life has never been
the same. All I can say is:
Brain Salad Surgery & Trilogy 5.1 remixes are coming out soon. What Lucky Men we are!
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 15:29 |
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By then, they were ready for separate new horizons personally as well (a nice way of saying they couldn't get along anymore) |
That's pretty much it, they lost the 'band spirit' and then everything felt forced.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 13:31 |
Bitterblogger wrote:
It seems they ran out of ideas as a group after Works Vol. 1. Works 2 is obviously a hastily compiled contractual obligation, and Love Beach is entirely the wrong direction. By then, they were ready for separate new horizons personally as well (a nice way of saying they couldn't get along anymore): film soundtracks for Keith, solo career for Lake, and PM and later Asia for Palmer. |
Works 2 isn't a contractual obligation and technically neither was LB, but it was kind of forced on them at a time when they needed to haave a break
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 13:27 |
questionsneverknown wrote:
This is what it says in the liner notes to the 2012 super-deluxe edition of Tarkus (the direct quote is Steven Wilson talking about the remastering):
"The title track itself was quite a feat to put back together because they recorded it on 16-track tape in many different sections and not necessarily in chronological order or at the same session. 'For example the piece begins with "Eruption" that fades in with a vocal texture. This was Greg overdubbing the voices twenty times done at a completely separate session. So there is just one piece of tape with a block of Greg's voice singing "Ahh" at many different pitches, so the task was to figure out how each of those voices gradually joins the ensemble to create the crescendo that opens the piece.'" |
Thanks for sharing. Holy cow, twenty times...
Guess I can safely conclude that the folks at E-mu sampled "Tarkus," then - which I pretty much suspected to begin with.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 13:25 |
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It seems they ran out of ideas as a group after Works Vol. 1. Works 2 is obviously a hastily compiled contractual obligation, and Love Beach is entirely the wrong direction. By then, they were ready for separate new horizons personally as well (a nice way of saying they couldn't get along anymore): film soundtracks for Keith, solo career for Lake, and PM and later Asia for Palmer.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 12:49 |
Rush77 wrote:
Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them
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I always felt they were three unique and incredibly talented individuals trying to be a band or some type of musical trio. I never felt them as a cohesive unit. I mean, I love all the music and the albums up to Brain Salad Surgery. I was expecting Keith Emerson's next musical interpretation was going to be Stravinsky's The Rite Of Spring, I knew Greg Lake would include a beautiful acoustic song, and Carl Palmer could blast any drummer out of their kit!
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 12:46 |
questionsneverknown wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:
Just out of curiousity, does anybody know what the choir sound at the start of "Tarkus" is? I've heard that Keith did all his non-organ/piano parts with synthesizers and didn't use the Mellotron - it's tricky to get good choral sounds out of an analog synth (especially clear, throaty sounds like this one, as opposed to "Star Trek" vocals,) but then I suppose it would be easier with a modular synth like the big ol' Moog...
I'm really curious, because the E-mu Proteus/1 MIDI module includes a sample that is exactly this sound, and I wonder if they sampled it from Keith, or if they both got it from somewhere else...? |
This is what it says in the liner notes to the 2012 super-deluxe edition of Tarkus (the direct quote is Steven Wilson talking about the remastering):
"The title track itself was quite a feat to put back together because they recorded it on 16-track tape in many different sections and not necessarily in chronological order or at the same session. 'For example the piece begins with "Eruption" that fades in with a vocal texture. This was Greg overdubbing the voices twenty times done at a completely separate session. So there is just one piece of tape with a block of Greg's voice singing "Ahh" at many different pitches, so the task was to figure out how each of those voices gradually joins the ensemble to create the crescendo that opens the piece.'" |
Nice to know, thanks (and nice to know that I had got it right )
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 11:57 |
commodorejohn wrote:
Just out of curiousity, does anybody know what the choir sound at the start of "Tarkus" is? I've heard that Keith did all his non-organ/piano parts with synthesizers and didn't use the Mellotron - it's tricky to get good choral sounds out of an analog synth (especially clear, throaty sounds like this one, as opposed to "Star Trek" vocals,) but then I suppose it would be easier with a modular synth like the big ol' Moog...
I'm really curious, because the E-mu Proteus/1 MIDI module includes a sample that is exactly this sound, and I wonder if they sampled it from Keith, or if they both got it from somewhere else...? |
This is what it says in the liner notes to the 2012 super-deluxe edition of Tarkus (the direct quote is Steven Wilson talking about the remastering):
"The title track itself was quite a feat to put back together because they recorded it on 16-track tape in many different sections and not necessarily in chronological order or at the same session. 'For example the piece begins with "Eruption" that fades in with a vocal texture. This was Greg overdubbing the voices twenty times done at a completely separate session. So there is just one piece of tape with a block of Greg's voice singing "Ahh" at many different pitches, so the task was to figure out how each of those voices gradually joins the ensemble to create the crescendo that opens the piece.'"
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 11:34 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Their first 4 or 5 lp's are very good but after that they simply took a nose dive.....and I simply don't understand why they didn't continue in a similar vein to BSS instead of putting out lp's like Works and Love Beach that were nothing like the earlier material. To me it seems like they either ran out of ideas or just didn't care anymore. |
They went as far as they could with BSS. So they wanted to try something different with Works. They were doing solo stuff anyway so decided to put it all on one album. Love Beach is a different story. An album they didn't particularly want to do any way.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 11:29 |
dr wu23 wrote:
.....and I simply don't understand why they didn't continue in a similar vein to BSS instead of putting out lp's like Works and Love Beach that were nothing like the earlier material. |
Ture, but I still like the whole discography, but In The Hot Seat (it stinks, really).
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 10:28 |
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Their first 4 or 5 lp's are very good but after that they simply took a nose dive.....and I simply don't understand why they didn't continue in a similar vein to BSS instead of putting out lp's like Works and Love Beach that were nothing like the earlier material. To me it seems like they either ran out of ideas or just didn't care anymore.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 09:25 |
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my favorite band ever. keith emerson keys are just brilliant and catchy for me. carl palmer kick asses. and greg lake is the right piece to balance the technical show with his feeling.
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Posted: June 18 2013 at 06:45 |
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Just finished watching Live 1977...marvelous.
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