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Topic: Hillage and Ozric
Posted: November 12 2010 at 08:54

As i said earlier Ozric's always been a good Live band .

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Posted: November 11 2010 at 19:44

I've never heard of Hilage before. I'm listening to Leylines to Glassdom right now on youtube and it sounds pretty good.

If you ask me, the best Ozrics stuff is their unknown material; songs like The City Made From Sound and Swim With the Dolphin. That being said, I loved The Yum Yum Tree; I don't see where people think that they've become stale. Also, I saw them on their last tour and they sounded really good (granted, that was the first time that I've ever seen them).

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Posted: November 09 2010 at 09:45

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, but I was lucky enough to see them at Glastonbury in a sea of mud on the Avalon stage in the late 90's, they were good enough that I forgot about the mud!

Me To i woz there , Always be a live band for me , though i might dig out Erpland once in awhile.

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Posted: November 09 2010 at 08:52

moshkito wrote:

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I think that my Ozric collection is at ... something like 26 CD's and 2 DVD's ...

Spirals and The Floors are nice, but (again) do not have the nice punch and show that the first ones had way back when ... the music stodd out, had finesse and had strength and it had humor ... and right now, it's just the Ed Wynne show. And while I prefer Ed over Joe Satriani any day of the week, in the end, it's just a variation upon a tree of chords and songs, and it has lost the "space" and feel that it had before, with its trippy, sometimes moody, but always far out bits and pieces here and there ... I'll take a Strangeitude or Erpland anyday over those two albums ... and the fact is ... the band is still playing stuff from those albums for the fans! The music started then, not later.

I can relate to this. Not that it matters anyway but, for once I do not feel all alone in this sense. You have made a point here that is so very true to me. The early titles were very special.

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Posted: November 09 2010 at 02:44

moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I think that my Ozric collection is at ... something like 26 CD's and 2 DVD's ...

NIce, a very impressive collection if I may say so

I know they still play a lot of older stuff, particularly off Erpland which is another great album. In fact my favourite ever Ozrics track, The Eternal Wheel is the album opener.

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Posted: November 08 2010 at 20:59

Hi,

I think that my Ozric collection is at ... something like 26 CD's and 2 DVD's ...

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Posted: November 08 2010 at 08:01

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I love Hillage a lot - he certainly deserves more recognition. But I must admit I'm not too fond of Ozric Tentacles - they sound kinda boring to me.

Exactly! As I see it, Ozric Tentacles is a very great band.

They were a great band. But that time is gone. Strangeitude and Erpland are long gone, and the rest of their music is not as viable or as nice ... and their live shows are not very good, specially when they do not have a sound person ... and they come off like next door's garage band!

As I mentioned above, I do not mind the Ozric Tentacles Family Band, but the touch and feel and space of the previous music is gone, and they don't have it anymore. You play well Brandy and the kid is good, but you are not capable, or have the visionary feel to create new music ... you only have notes ... and that means ... the band is over ... or as we used to say eons ago ... you just need to stop getting so stoned that you forget what the trip was all about in the first place!

I disagree totally. Now I don't profess to own all the Ozrics albums, but I've got a fair few and for me their best period is definitely since the turn of the millenium. Spirals In Hyperspace in particular is amazing as the band fuse space rock with trance and modern electronic music brilliantly. That is my favourite Ozrics album so far. I also happen to think The Floors Too Far Away is an excellent album too.

Each to their own I suppose.

AS for Hillage, I always preferred his solo work to Gong who were at times just a bit too weird for me. At times amazing, at times well..... For me you simply have to have Live Herald (one of the best live albums I've ever heard) and the incredible Radio Dome Music (one of the best ambient albums I've ever heard).

Nice thread.

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Posted: November 07 2010 at 17:46

Steve Hillage was always an inspirational player to me, Solar musick suite remains a fave even now. I don't know so much about Ozrics, but I was lucky enough to see them at Glastonbury in a sea of mud on the Avalon stage in the late 90's, they were good enough that I forgot about the mud!

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Posted: November 05 2010 at 16:19

MonsterMagnet wrote:

clarke2001 wrote:

I love Hillage a lot - he certainly deserves more recognition. But I must admit I'm not too fond of Ozric Tentacles - they sound kinda boring to me.

Exactly! As I see it, Ozric Tentacles is a very great band.

Edited by moshkito - November 05 2010 at 16:21

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Posted: November 05 2010 at 11:45

clarke2001 wrote:

I love Hillage a lot - he certainly deserves more recognition. But I must admit I'm not too fond of Ozric Tentacles - they sound kinda boring to me.

Exactly! As I see it, Ozric Tentacles is a very great band.

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Posted: November 05 2010 at 08:36

Ozric seems more infuenced by a Hillage "Green" period and not so much Gong. I once owned everything by them. By the way, Steve Hillage on guitar and Clive Bunker on drums from the "Live Herald" recordings is unreal to me. It still stands the test of time for any fan of prog or musicians as well. His experimentation into the various styles in which developed later with his solo efforts was first truly revealed on "Angels Egg". A very strange and unique sample of Hillage's playing can be found on Gong Live 75' and live 74' with Bruford. This is was his ultimate transition as a player. All the guitar sounds that the prog world identified him with are at a peak during these performances. It's quite apart from his 73' performances with Gong when toying with ideas, adding great ones no doubt, but yet to reach the level of "Fish Rising". As a fan, I was fascinated with all of his musical growth and changes. Dave Stewart held him in the highest regard.

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Posted: November 05 2010 at 06:12

PEACE!! BROTHERS !! Just a few words , i was at BECK show , a few days ago in east of the france and it was GREATTTTTT !!!!!! LOL

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Posted: November 05 2010 at 04:58

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jean-marie wrote:

Wink

I n my opinion steve hillage ( specialy green ) is the key wich opens to ozric world. Why hillage albums are so rarely rewiewed on PA ??It's a question that obsseses me Shocked

Come to Progressiveears.com and register and start a thread.....There are not as many rules there, the people are more friendly and their are less fanboys....

Yeah! If you like dealing with a free for all. From Grand Funk Railroad fans to Ange fans. Yeah, that's Progears. In one sense you have fans of Mountain and Grand Funk that have no knowledge of greats like Rory Gallagher but, are ignorant towards the British Blues Boom era, ......in otherwords, Keith Richards who wrote great songs like "Jumpin' Jack Flash", "Ruby Tuesday" etc, has the look of a rest home lunatic and so that equals the word=suck. While loads of members worship Mark Farner and his stupied "Footstompin' Music role. Either that or it's the worship of the almighty epic: "I'm Your Captain".

The older generation of proggy members on P.A. are very cool to converse with. They don't come crawling out of the woodwork and insult everybody as they often do on P.E. In otherwords....there are some pretty blown up egos on P.E. There are musicians on P.E. who feel that their butts do not stink like everyone elses. They come off in a fashion that smells of you, the viewer, kneeling down to kiss their feet. Like they are too good to listen to Jeff Beck? They can't appreciate average Rock music for what it is. Fans on P.E. have in the past, slaughtered an album like Soft Machine Bundles making it seem as if the title itself lacks a high ranking musical level. The problem with egotisitical members such as these is the fact that they can't tell the difference between the beautiful expressive guitar playing of Jeff Beck from the "Rough and Ready album and Rhino from Iron Butterfly. If you are going to be an ego driven insulting type of person, then at least get your history right.

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Posted: November 04 2010 at 20:28

clarke2001 wrote:

Triceratopsoil wrote:

I love Ozric Tentacles a lot - they certainly deserve more recognition. But I must admit I'm not too fond of Steve Hillage - he sounds kinda boring to me.

I have a deja vu. LOL

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Posted: November 04 2010 at 20:20

Triceratopsoil wrote:

I love Ozric Tentacles a lot - they certainly deserve more recognition. But I must admit I'm not too fond of Steve Hillage - he sounds kinda boring to me.

I have a deja vu. LOL

Percussion, sir!

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Posted: November 04 2010 at 20:12

jean-marie wrote:

Wink

I n my opinion steve hillage ( specialy green ) is the key wich opens to ozric world. Why hillage albums are so rarely rewiewed on PA ??It's a question that obsseses me Shocked

I like both.

Sadly, the Ozric family is down to its last legs and when they lost Champignon (John), they lost the "feel" and the sensual touch that the music had that is terribly lacking right now. Ed has stopped exploring and learning and finding new music ... it is now strictly rock'n'roll music with the midi boards going kinda nuts, in concert venues where you can't hear the keyboards at all ... which makes the music come down to garage band status.

So, if you ask me, Ozric's have lost it, and I don't see that they are making strides in making sure that the venues do not hurt their music.

Hillage, is still going strong and hearing him again with Gong is amazing and far out ... and neat. He has always been experimental and the new version of Gong is almost a dream come true ... remember that one of the best guitar duets in progressive music can be found in Gong's YOU and guess who the two guitarists were. And both of them knowing the massive history they both have and new found appreciation for each other ... is massive and I think the one thing that the Ozrics are missing.

I do not mind the idea that the Ozric's now is the family band ... and while it has nice things on a cd ... they really need to make a call on the quality of their work on the road. My contention is that this has become a secondary band, due to its quality of work.

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Posted: November 04 2010 at 19:32

I love Ozric Tentacles a lot - they certainly deserve more recognition. But I must admit I'm not too fond of Steve Hillage - he sounds kinda boring to me.

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Posted: November 04 2010 at 18:29

I do agree Ozric is a bit monotonous and i prefer hillage but having watched a live dvd , it's clear they're better on stage , it's a real psychedelic show , i remenber it was the same with hawkwind , sometimes boring on record but amazing on stage , i saw them in paris on 1977Ozric could be kind of new Hawkwind

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Posted: November 04 2010 at 13:43

snobb wrote:

clarke2001 wrote:

I love Hillage a lot - he certainly deserves more recognition. But I must admit I'm not too fond of Ozric Tentacles - they sound kinda boring to me.

For me OT sound nice, but all their albums long they play one good (but same good) song

That's pretty much how I feel about the Ozrics. I stopped at Aborescence. There didn't seem much point in continuing..

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

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Posted: November 04 2010 at 13:43

When i think of Hillage i think GONG,KHAN and his solo works. I agree completely that that OZICS had to have been inspired by his solo works and perhaps "Green" especially. A very talented guitarist.

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