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Posted: September 06 2010 at 00:02 |
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& not all hip hop is 4/4
for example outkast's hey ya switches between 2/4 & 4/4
nas's hip hop is dead is 3/4 i believe
and im positive theres more
and many producers in rap actually do play instruments. usually bass & synth/piano but real drums and electric/acoustic guitar is present in hip hop. maybe on the billboard top 100 but its out there |
Not all outkast's output is pure hip-hop. It's the only hip-hop band whom I purchased an album and there's a lot of jazz when they don't talk... Inside any genre there can be something good. Also Madonna can have a good song, it's a statistic fact. Write 1000 songs and at least one will be good. But looking at the whole genre, I don't find a reason to listen to it and less reasons to have it on PA. Please let us venerate our dynosaurs.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 20:10 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
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To clarify: I am not saying that not liking hip hop makes you a snob. It's fine if you don't. I am saying that you are a snob if you say it is NOT MUSIC. You're a snob, and wrong to boot. And I never attacked ELP, Yes, Genesis or any of the Old Guard-why would I, seeing as how I like those bands so much? |
As Snow Dog, said, if I had implied you attacked any band, you would had known it because the first thing I do in this cases is quote the person, what I said is that it's common to do it in Prog Archives.
Now, I don't like Hip Hop that's true, as a fact I hate it and don't hide my opinion, but neither I saidall Hip Hop is not music, what I don't consider original or creative music is sampling.
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Okay, I was a little confused on your position. Thanks for clarifying. 
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 20:08 |
40footwolf wrote:
To clarify: I am not saying that not liking hip hop makes you a snob. It's fine if you don't. I am saying that you are a snob if you say it is NOT MUSIC. You're a snob, and wrong to boot. And I never attacked ELP, Yes, Genesis or any of the Old Guard-why would I, seeing as how I like those bands so much? |
As Snow Dog, said, if I had implied you attacked any band, you would had known it because the first thing I do in this cases is quote the person, what I said is that it's common to do it in Prog Archives.
Now, I don't like Hip Hop that's true, as a fact I hate it and don't hide my opinion, but neither I saidall Hip Hop is not music, what I don't consider original or creative music is sampling.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 05 2010 at 20:09
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 20:03 |
Walter: This hip-hop album was made in 2005 but is about the year 1988. Are you able to listen to that?
The album was massively acclaimed by a lot of people but it disappointed me. I thought it was kind of vanilla.
Ooh, another rap classic still in rotation at my place is Mr Lif's I Phantom.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:54 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
1989 was the last great year in the history of music, so is it any wonder that the apogee of hip-hop is from 1989?
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So you're admitting you haven't heard any hip hop since 1989?
EDIT: I'm going to sleep, but should the discussion, as it were, continue, I'd advise people who haven't listened to rap/hip-hop since the first Bush administration to refrain from speaking with any authority on the matter.
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Why would I want new music when I can have real music?
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That is maybe the most asinine thing I have ever read.
I'm still waiting for a concrete argument as to how hip-hop isn't "real" music. So far all I've heard is that it's all sampling(it isn't) and that it doesn't take any talent(it does). Nobody's saying you have to LIKE hip-hop but to say it isn't music is simply, patently, wrong. There isn't an argument to be made otherwise. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre and, honestly, music as a whole. |
All post-1989 music is trash.
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Alright, well...thanks for alerting me to the fact that you'll be impossible to have a conversation with now or at any point in the future.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:48 |
40footwolf wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
1989 was the last great year in the history of music, so is it any wonder that the apogee of hip-hop is from 1989?
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So you're admitting you haven't heard any hip hop since 1989?
EDIT: I'm going to sleep, but should the discussion, as it were, continue, I'd advise people who haven't listened to rap/hip-hop since the first Bush administration to refrain from speaking with any authority on the matter.
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Why would I want new music when I can have real music?
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That is maybe the most asinine thing I have ever read.
I'm still waiting for a concrete argument as to how hip-hop isn't "real" music. So far all I've heard is that it's all sampling(it isn't) and that it doesn't take any talent(it does). Nobody's saying you have to LIKE hip-hop but to say it isn't music is simply, patently, wrong. There isn't an argument to be made otherwise. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre and, honestly, music as a whole. |
All post-1989 music is trash.
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Textbook
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:41 |
Progressive rap certainly is possible though it arguably hasn't yet been done. I was going to do it back when I was going to be a rapper at all.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:38 |
When I think of "prog hip-hop" I'm not sure such a thing actually exists but Canibus' Poet Laureate Infinity was pretty way out there in concept.
There's also things like Deltron 3030 which flirted with prog territory.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:35 |
40footwolf wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
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I actually didn't start this-I simply mentioned qualities that would make a good hip hop song and somebody else launched in with all that "it isn't REAL music" jive.
To clarify: I am not saying that not liking hip hop makes you a snob. It's fine if you don't. I am saying that you are a snob if you say it is NOT MUSIC. You're a snob, and wrong to boot. And I never attacked ELP, Yes, Genesis or any of the Old Guard-why would I, seeing as how I like those bands so much? |
He never said you did attack ELP,Yes etc. |
I thought he was implying it. If not then I rescind my statement in that regard. |
It is rather unclear for Ivan. But if he meant you he would have said you I'm sure. 
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:33 |
Snow Dog wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
I actually didn't start this-I simply mentioned qualities that would make a good hip hop song and somebody else launched in with all that "it isn't REAL music" jive.
To clarify: I am not saying that not liking hip hop makes you a snob. It's fine if you don't. I am saying that you are a snob if you say it is NOT MUSIC. You're a snob, and wrong to boot. And I never attacked ELP, Yes, Genesis or any of the Old Guard-why would I, seeing as how I like those bands so much? |
He never said you did attack ELP,Yes etc. |
I thought he was implying it. If not then I rescind my statement in that regard.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:31 |
40footwolf wrote:
I actually didn't start this-I simply mentioned qualities that would make a good hip hop song and somebody else launched in with all that "it isn't REAL music" jive.
To clarify: I am not saying that not liking hip hop makes you a snob. It's fine if you don't. I am saying that you are a snob if you say it is NOT MUSIC. You're a snob, and wrong to boot. And I never attacked ELP, Yes, Genesis or any of the Old Guard-why would I, seeing as how I like those bands so much? |
He never said you did attack ELP,Yes etc.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:28 |
I actually didn't start this-I simply mentioned qualities that would make a good hip hop song and somebody else launched in with all that "it isn't REAL music" jive.
To clarify: I am not saying that not liking hip hop makes you a snob. It's fine if you don't. I am saying that you are a snob if you say it is NOT MUSIC. You're a snob, and wrong to boot. And I never attacked ELP, Yes, Genesis or any of the Old Guard-why would I, seeing as how I like those bands so much?
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:25 |
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Thank God at least one of you has a sense of humor about this. The snobbery and contemptuousness in this thread was starting to make my brain bleed. |
The usual argument of snobbery.
Learn this, Prog Archives is a Progressive Rock site and most Progressive Rock listeners don't like Hip Hop, we joined this site to talk about a genre like Prog that is ignored by 99% of the people ouyt there, while there are probably thousands of Hip Hop sites.
We are not snobs, we know what we like and we are free to express our opinions, that's so true that people here butchers bands as Yes, Genesis, ELP, Triumvirat or virtuoso musicians as Wakeman that represent the reason why Prog Archives was created,
I haven't said that Hip Hop is crap, what i said is that sampling real musicians is creating nothing because all your videos are examples of sampling and I stand behind my opinion, the real artist creates musics, the sampler adds percussion patterns to what talented composers and performers created,
Iván
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:24 |
Snow Dog wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
1989 was the last great year in the history of music, so is it any wonder that the apogee of hip-hop is from 1989?
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So you're admitting you haven't heard any hip hop since 1989?
EDIT: I'm going to sleep, but should the discussion, as it were, continue, I'd advise people who haven't listened to rap/hip-hop since the first Bush administration to refrain from speaking with any authority on the matter.
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I can say with authority that I have no interest whatsoever in "Hippety Hop".
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Thank God at least one of you has a sense of humor about this. The snobbery and contemptuousness in this thread was starting to make my brain bleed. |
I really don't like it much at all.......BUT....no genre is completely unlikable (besides gangsta rap! )...so this what I DO like( don't know if any of this is hip hop but this I guess is rap in general)
Eminem Beastie Boys De La Soul
I think thats about it.  |
Check out A Tribe Called Quest's The Low End Theory and Black Star's Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Black Star. Based on the bands you mentioned enjoying I think you would like those two a lot.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:22 |
& not all hip hop is 4/4
for example outkast's hey ya switches between 2/4 & 4/4
nas's hip hop is dead is 3/4 i believe
and im positive theres more
and many producers in rap actually do play instruments. usually bass & synth/piano but real drums and electric/acoustic guitar is present in hip hop. maybe on the billboard top 100 but its out there
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:19 |
All of those are hip-hop.
Other albums in rotation for me:
The Cold Vein- Cannibal Ox
None Shall Pass- Aesop Rock
Black On Both Sides- Mos Def
Eardrum- Talib Kweli
Rip The Jacker- Canibus
The Best Part- J Live
The Offering- Killah Priest
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:11 |
40footwolf wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
1989 was the last great year in the history of music, so is it any wonder that the apogee of hip-hop is from 1989?
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So you're admitting you haven't heard any hip hop since 1989?
EDIT: I'm going to sleep, but should the discussion, as it were, continue, I'd advise people who haven't listened to rap/hip-hop since the first Bush administration to refrain from speaking with any authority on the matter.
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I can say with authority that I have no interest whatsoever in "Hippety Hop".
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Thank God at least one of you has a sense of humor about this. The snobbery and contemptuousness in this thread was starting to make my brain bleed. |
I really don't like it much at all.......BUT....no genre is completely unlikable (besides gangsta rap! )...so this what I DO like( don't know if any of this is hip hop but this I guess is rap in general)
Eminem Beastie Boys De La Soul
I think thats about it.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:09 |
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40footwolf: I'm a huge hip-hop head actually, possibly the biggest on this forum. Still bumping Below The Heavens.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:05 |
Snow Dog wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
1989 was the last great year in the history of music, so is it any wonder that the apogee of hip-hop is from 1989?
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So you're admitting you haven't heard any hip hop since 1989?
EDIT: I'm going to sleep, but should the discussion, as it were, continue, I'd advise people who haven't listened to rap/hip-hop since the first Bush administration to refrain from speaking with any authority on the matter.
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I can say with authority that I have no interest whatsoever in "Hippety Hop".
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Thank God at least one of you has a sense of humor about this. The snobbery and contemptuousness in this thread was starting to make my brain bleed.
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Heaven's made a cesspool of us all.
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Posted: September 05 2010 at 19:00 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
40footwolf wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
1989 was the last great year in the history of music, so is it any wonder that the apogee of hip-hop is from 1989?
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So you're admitting you haven't heard any hip hop since 1989?
EDIT: I'm going to sleep, but should the discussion, as it were, continue, I'd advise people who haven't listened to rap/hip-hop since the first Bush administration to refrain from speaking with any authority on the matter.
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Why would I want new music when I can have real music?
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That is maybe the most asinine thing I have ever read.
I'm still waiting for a concrete argument as to how hip-hop isn't "real" music. So far all I've heard is that it's all sampling(it isn't) and that it doesn't take any talent(it does). Nobody's saying you have to LIKE hip-hop but to say it isn't music is simply, patently, wrong. There isn't an argument to be made otherwise. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre and, honestly, music as a whole.
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