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 Topic: Why aren’t gay Christians accepted?Posted: June 10 2005 at 23:42 |
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My wife is openly bisexual. She's also Irish and a Catholic to boot. I accept her for what she is and she believes God does too. Besides, if God condemns homosexuality, then he must be an American Republican, and therefore a corrupt politician. And yes, we have threesomes, but that's none of your f**king business. |
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Tony R
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 14:53 |
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Sorry,DB,but it had to be posted "Dallas-Style"
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nacho
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 05:42 |
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For when you reached the pyre stage you'd be grateful: some years ago there was an exhibition of old torture devices, and it was
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Eppur si muove
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barbs
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 05:26 |
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I don't think so.  Would they use the rack first?  They didn't seem to get the two greatest commandments.   |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 05:10 |
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Some fundamentalist circles would declare a fatwah if they saw the scriptures slimmed/trimmed down to this post. In the Spanish inquisition , would we escape the pyre? |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 04:27 |
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thanks Tony, very enlightening, your wisdom is
shining! 
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barbs
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 03:25 |
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Was this supposed to be the blasphemy or was he going to do that after because I don't think there's a blasphemy here.  |
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nacho
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 03:17 |
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I don't like it!!! Tony has ruined the whole thing for me. The biggest hero ever seen in a cinema screen (when I was a small kid) is not there: where's Samson??? Eh???
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 10 2005 at 03:02 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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gdub411
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 21:38 |
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tuxon
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 17:04 |
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^ Quoting DB now are you?
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Tony R
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 16:06 |
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Warning: Spoilers ahead.
The Bible in 50 WordsGod made, Adam bit, Noah There you go,no need to bother reading it now!! |
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hope
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 14:20 |
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it is not a sin to love anyone, and christians dotn look at it that way, to my knowledge......i am not a christian, let me be clear, and i dont believe in a deity that can respond to any supplication of mine ar anyone else's....but christians, i believe, for the most part look at the sin of gayness as being the way that homosexuals express their love for each other.... you can love people without having sexual relations with them, and you can have sexual relations without love being involved.....there are many men i love and even find attractive being a lover of art and natural beauty, but i do not desire intercourse with them.....there are many females i feel the exact same way about......i think human beings tend to be overwhelmed by their emotions towards others to the point that they confuse an affinity towards someone with a sexual attraction, and i am sure most of us have had this experience once or several times, and later looked back on it and understood that actions we may have taken were not the proper ones
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the wisest man is deemed insane
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Man Overboard
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Posted: June 09 2005 at 14:03 |
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Aw
 I wrote a big huge reply and then it disappeared I'll recap. Maani: Many Christians would probably see our progressive music collections, and if they had any idea of the time, money, and love we've devoted to them, they would forget our sexualities almost immediately in order to focus on that. But I
don't see that as taking away from my spirituality... the way
some people look at something extremely delicate, rare, and beautiful
and take it as a sign of God's presence, so do I see a bit of the
divine's creation in the existance of some of this music, if that makes
sense and doesn't sound blasphemous (it's not meant to).  Peter: Thank you for reminding me of this thread! With that whole flowerchild mess, I'd completely forgotten about it.
I agree with your points. I haven't been to a church since
2003... there was one I'd gone to for a few years, and when they
found out my oh so terrible secret, that was pretty much they end of
that. Where they'd once been so supportive and kind, they became
nearly demonic in their rejection of me. Those were wasted years
of my life... silly Pentacostals. And now, completely random image:  |
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Posted: June 07 2005 at 11:04 |
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Many thanks. This helps me understand a lot more about how christianity should be run! Thank God i'm an atheist |
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The Worthless Recluse
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Peter
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Posted: June 07 2005 at 09:31 |
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People (especially those with low levels of education/exposure to the wider world) fear that which is different, and hate what they fear. This is a universal human failing. Add to that equation the longstanding Christian tradition of equating sexuality with sin (especially sexuality of the non-procreative variety), and you have the reasons why homosexuality tends to be condemned by many -- especially those of a more rigid, fundamental bent. My question, Man Overboard, is why does the lack of acceptance by ignorant, small-minded bigots upset you? It seems to me that in your situation I would not want to be "taken into the fold" by such people, because in order to gain that acceptance, I would have to compromise myself. Yes, being on the receiving end of bigotry and hatred still hurts at times, and we could wish for a nicer world, but this is the imperfect world we live in. When people disdain & disrespect you for no real reason, remember that the failing is THEIRS, not yours! "They" are NOT your peers, and "they" are not all going to suddenly change -- these things take generations -- so I advise you to stop worrying about the opinions of those who don't and WON'T understand or know you, and to live your life in the way that is right for you. Love and accept yourself, and you will find love from other worthy people. Edited by Peter |
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Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 07 2005 at 07:52 |
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Can it be true? Can our thought patterns really be so similar?
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drbr
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Posted: June 07 2005 at 05:36 |
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People, homosexuality or "homosexual lifestyle" is not sin. Please do
not listen to what "Christians" say because they either want to make
you feel bad or do it anyway. "Christians" want to go to heaven so they
tell as many others as possible that those are going to hell. This
increases their chances, they think. Hurting people is OK because it
is "respectful" to tell people they are sinners and are going to hell.
If you are gay and believe in God, don't listen to "Christians" but instead ask Him why you are here and why He made you the way you are, and He will tell you that your purpose is love. He will tell you that loving somebody is never a sin and does not hurt anyone. You make the choice to love someone but who you fall in love with is not your decision, it is His. You will never know why you are gay, but it doesn't matter. There are millions like you and we are all part of His plan. Don't read the Bible like "Christians" do. The Bible is old and has been translated many times. It is not written by God but by man. And man wants you to feel bad. (He used to want to kill you, but he is not allowed to today.) God doesn't want you to feel bad. He is your father and friend and supports you and loves you just the way you are. Those who hate you and tell you that you are going to hell are not your friends. Edited by drbr |
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nacho
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Posted: June 07 2005 at 03:51 |
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OK Maani, if you consider that the whole scriptures are inspired by God himself, I have nothing else to say. Funny that something that is SO important to the churches today wasn't even mentioned by Jesus... (I see you don't comment about the camel and the needle...) I'm just curious, if you believe that the whole scriptures are inspired by God, how can you explain, if only to yourself, the 23rd chapter of Deuteronomy? Should we take it seriously? And what about that fantastic tale of the 600 years old Noah and his ark?
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 07 2005 at 03:23 |
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In my dictionary in French: Prosterner is to bow low and to prostrate (to an altar or icon). Nothing to do with scatology, rest assured, and no psychiatry I could be wrong because there are a lot of Faux Amis between French and English (one of the most famous is Finally and Eventually are almost synonym in English but surely not in french: finalement is Finally but Eventuellement means in the possibility of) |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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DallasBryan wrote:
. They would probably start with something not too extreme, like the thumb crusher (very versatile: it could be applied to other body parts).
