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    Posted: August 19 2010 at 08:06
Gentle Giant - Int'rview - Eclectic Prog
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery - Pretentious, ermm, Symphonic Prog
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 08:03
Post Metal should really go to Panopticon.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 03:31
For Tech-Metal:
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- Killing Technology (1987), then Dimension Hatröss (1988)
Coroner - R.I.P. (1987 - and, yeah, I know they are not on PA, and, yeah, I consider as a fault) ;
Pestilence - Testimony of the Ancient (1991) ;
Death - Human (1991) and I would even mention Spiritual Healing (1990), even if we could see it as a "transition album".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 02:45
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Most famous =/= most representative of the genre
 
Yup, very much agreeing with you, StonieClap
 
Just like
 
Personal Fave =/= most representative of the genre
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 20:06
Defining a (sub-) genre with one album is pretty harsh...even sub -genres are quite wide. Let me try for one of my fav genres...neo prog...
While I read this thread I saw a lot of albums mentioned for neo (Marillion - Script most prominent). I think that is a very good neo prog album, although it is by today's standards not centre of the genre, I think.
My choice is IQ - Subterrenea.. This (double) album contains everything neo prog is about: Keyboard and guitar driven symphonic rock, wich emphasizes melody over technical exposior (which doesn't mean there is no technical quality, far from that), and (totally) without (jazz type) jamming.All the music is composed. It does include some heavy (metal type) riffing, without becoming metal. Melody is centre-stage everywhere.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 19:17
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Triumvirat-Illusions On A Double Dimple-Symphonic

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Banco-Darwin!-RPI

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 18:13
In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend defines Doom Metal. But this is a prog forum anyway
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 16:18
Post Metal: Cult of Luna- Somewhere Along the Highway
Progressive Metal: Vanden Plas- The God Thing
Tech Metal: Death- Symbolic
Extreme Metal: Opeth- Blackwater Park
Symphonic Prog: Yes- Close to the Edge
Neo Prog: Pendragon- The Masquerade Overture
Zeul: Magma- MDK
Canterbury: Hatfield and the North- s/t
 
The Rest I'm either not familier enough with or I feel that no one album could really represent that genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 14:07
Most famous =/= representative of the genre
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 14:06
Originally posted by Morningrise Morningrise wrote:

Tech/ Extreme Prog Metal: Symbolic- Death
Eclectic Prog: Anabelas- Bubu
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 13:55
Neo Prog: Marillion - Script for a Jester's Tear
Symphonic Prog: Focus - Hamburger Concerto
Jazz Rock/Fusion: RTF - Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy
Progressive Metal: Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition
Prog Folk: Jethro Tull - Songs from the Wood
Eclectic Prog: Beardfish - Sleeping in Traffic part 2
Canterbury Scene: Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 13:12
Originally posted by The Runaway The Runaway wrote:

maudlin of the Well - Part the Second - Experimental Metal

Thats a joke right, you just picked maudlins non metal album to represent Experimental metal?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 12:30
Neo Prog: The Masquerade Overture-Pendragon
Symphonic Prog: Close To The Edge- Yes
Jazz Rock/Fusion: The Inner Mountain Flame- Mahavishnu Orchestra
Progressive Metal: The Divine Wings Of Tragedy- Symphony X
Tech/ Extreme Prog Metal: Symbolic- Death
Krautrock: Tago Mago- Can
Prog Folk: Minstrel In The Gallery- Jethro Tull
Eclectic Prog: Anabelas- Bubu
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 11:33
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

How I would introduce people to


Zeuhl: Magma's KA
Post  Rock: GY!BE's Moya EP
Math Rock: Don Caballero's 2
Fusion: Miles' Bitchess Brew
Extreme Prog Metal: one of Opeth's albums
Experimental/Avantgarde Metal: Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye
Post Metal: Isis' Wavering Radiant
Krautrock: Amon Duul II's Tanz Der Lemminge

I wouldn't try to "define" the Art Rock subgenres because eclecticism is their first feature. RIO/Avant is also too diverse and eclectic to do it justice with just one album.
 
I agree totally with your first four choices
 
I'm not going to comment the progmetal sub-genres because I'm not sufficiently versed to make a valid advice.
I did separate Space from Psych and RIO from Avant, like Post and Math were separated before my post.
 
nb: since I hate this single genre categories enforced on PA, I didn't care for the album's actual placemlent in the database. So you'll find a few genre nominees of mine not in the genre they are stuck on this site.
 
So:
 
Zeuhl: Magma's Kontarkozh
Post  Rock: GY!BE's Slow Riot EP
Math Rock: Don Caballero's 2
Fusion: Miles' Bitchess Brew
 
but:
 
Krautrock: Can's Tago Mago
 
Canterbury: Soft Machine's Third
 
Neo-prog: Marillion's Script For A Jester's tears
 
Prog Foilk: Tull's Song From The Wood  or Pentangle's Basket Of Light
 
indo/raga: Third Ear Band's Alchemy
 
Psych prog: Dashiell Hedayatt's Obsolete or Gong's Angel's Egg
 
Space prog: Tangerine Dream's Zeit
 
RPI: PFM's Storie De Un Minuto
 
Symph prog: Either ITOTCK or SEBTP
 
Heavy Prog: Atomic Rooster's Death Walks Behind You
 
Proto-prog: Vanilla Fudge's Renaissance or Deep Purple's Book Of Taliesin.
 
RIO: Univers Zero's UZed or Samla's Maltid
 
Avant-prog: Miriodor's Jonglerie Elastique
 
Art Rock: Supertramp's Crime Of The Century
 
Electronic prog: Schulze's Timewind or Dionne-Brégent's Et Le 3ième Jour
 
There ya go!!!Wink
 
 
NB: I'm not going to give any answers to eclectic and crossover, since neither are real and valid subgenres. They're only artificial subdivisions born to separate Art Rock.
 
 
 
Some very nice picks you made IMO.
Yet I want to claim that both Krautrock and Canterbury are not real sub-genres (just as you said about crossover and eclectic). Krautrock is a mix of bands with lots of improvisation and use of dysonant sounds (ADII, Can and others) and bands which does neditative / indo inspired music (Yahta sydrah is a perfect example while Popol vuh is the only band I know that are doing both in different albums). Canterbury bands are very diverse (National health are JR, Soft machine and Matching mole are Avant-garde, Egg are closer to Symphonic and Khan are space rock) so those 2 sub-genres are realy a mater of place and / or time. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 11:32
Originally posted by The Runaway The Runaway wrote:

Magma - MDK - Zeuhl
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery - Symphonic
King Crimson - In the Court - Eclectic
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire - JR/F
Rush - Hemispheres - Heavy
Phideaux - Chupacabras - Crossover
maudlin of the Well - Part the Second - Experimental/Post Metal
Dream Theater - Octavarium - Prog Metal
Neu! - Neu! - Krautrock


In the court of the Crimson King defines symphonic prog, not ecletic.
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Symphonic  Tales From topographic Oceans
Prog Hard Rock      2112
Neo    Script From  a J's T
Space      Warrior on the e of tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt     can' t be botehred

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 08:56
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

How I would introduce people to


Zeuhl: Magma's KA
Post  Rock: GY!BE's Moya EP
Math Rock: Don Caballero's 2
Fusion: Miles' Bitchess Brew
Extreme Prog Metal: one of Opeth's albums
Experimental/Avantgarde Metal: Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye
Post Metal: Isis' Wavering Radiant
Krautrock: Amon Duul II's Tanz Der Lemminge

I wouldn't try to "define" the Art Rock subgenres because eclecticism is their first feature. RIO/Avant is also too diverse and eclectic to do it justice with just one album.
 
I agree totally with your first four choices
 


Thanks Hugues, this means I haven't been around PA for years for nothing! LOL

I like your list too, though I avoided Soft Machine's Third because though it is the best album of the genre IMO it's not very representative of it, and Can's Tago Mago who despite being my favourite Krautrock album I also thought it emphasizes more the jam & avantgarde side of Kraut, leaving other aspects of Kraut (like pastoralism, electronic soundscapes, or even interplay a la classic prog) unrepresented.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 08:40
Genres are #"Q¤% in general, becomes even more %¤#¤#¤#% when put up against a q like this.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 08:25
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

How I would introduce people to


Zeuhl: Magma's KA
Post  Rock: GY!BE's Moya EP
Math Rock: Don Caballero's 2
Fusion: Miles' Bitchess Brew
Extreme Prog Metal: one of Opeth's albums
Experimental/Avantgarde Metal: Kayo Dot's Choirs Of The Eye
Post Metal: Isis' Wavering Radiant
Krautrock: Amon Duul II's Tanz Der Lemminge

I wouldn't try to "define" the Art Rock subgenres because eclecticism is their first feature. RIO/Avant is also too diverse and eclectic to do it justice with just one album.
 
I agree totally with your first four choices
 
I'm not going to comment the progmetal sub-genres because I'm not sufficiently versed to make a valid advice.
I did separate Space from Psych and RIO from Avant, like Post and Math were separated before my post.
 
nb: since I hate this single genre categories enforced on PA, I didn't care for the album's actual placemlent in the database. So you'll find a few genre nominees of mine not in the genre they are stuck on this site.
 
So:
 
Zeuhl: Magma's Kontarkozh
Post  Rock: GY!BE's Slow Riot EP
Math Rock: Don Caballero's 2
Fusion: Miles' Bitchess Brew
 
but:
 
Krautrock: Can's Tago Mago
 
Canterbury: Soft Machine's Third
 
Neo-prog: Marillion's Script For A Jester's tears
 
Prog Foilk: Tull's Song From The Wood  or Pentangle's Basket Of Light
 
indo/raga: Third Ear Band's Alchemy
 
Psych prog: Dashiell Hedayatt's Obsolete or Gong's Angel's Egg
 
Space prog: Tangerine Dream's Zeit
 
RPI: PFM's Storie De Un Minuto
 
Symph prog: Either ITOTCK or SEBTP
 
Heavy Prog: Atomic Rooster's Death Walks Behind You
 
Proto-prog: Vanilla Fudge's Renaissance or Deep Purple's Book Of Taliesin.
 
RIO: Univers Zero's UZed or Samla's Maltid
 
Avant-prog: Miriodor's Jonglerie Elastique
 
Art Rock: Supertramp's Crime Of The Century
 
Electronic prog: Schulze's Timewind or Dionne-Brégent's Et Le 3ième Jour
 
There ya go!!!Wink
 
 
NB: I'm not going to give any answers to eclectic and crossover, since neither are real and valid subgenres. They're only artificial subdivisions born to separate Art Rock.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2010 at 16:23
Triumvirat-Illusions On A Double Dimple-Symphonic

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