Best side-long epic

In the absence of Echoes, I have to go for CTTE.

I don't think Thick as a Brick should be here, since it's a album long epic.

Sean Trane wrote: thellama73 wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Paravion wrote: ..  (I considered including pink floyd's echoes or atom heart mother, but for me, pf will never be prog as such)    Isn't strange when one single sentence can discredit  the author of a thread despite anotherwise excellent idea......     Such comments (even if you think it), would best be kept to yourself.... FLOYD is prog, whether you like it or not and no matter how restrictive you are (and your list indicates you're not too restrictive) ..... but if you don't believe me, check our database That seems a little extreme. Just because you don't agree with his opinion, there's no reason to browbeat him over it and suggest that he shouldn't express it. I myself don't think of Pink Floyd as prog in the same way that Genesis and Yes are (although they are undeniably progressive.) This is a discussion forum and telling another member that they had best keep their opinions to themselves is unhelpful to any discussion. p.s. I am in a Krautrocky mood, so I will vote for Amboss, especially since there is no Rush option. You're right, no Rush is also a bit of a shock as well       Well there you go..... at least you see them as such. I don't think I'm bullying Paravion around too much (he didn't seem to take it as such in the post following yours either). I used friendly emoticons to get my point across.  I did say that outside that useless remark, his choice was rather good.   What does bug me is this constant bickering about Floyd being not prog... it's a recurring thing on this forum  >>> wuithout Floyd, most of the 70's groups wouldn't have happened. This debate has been flogged to death and Floyd detractors systematically proven wrong.   Generaly those who post such comments have a very narrow definition of "prog" (as inretro-sympho- neo-prog), and I could argue that 90's neo-prog has nothing prog either.      I'll go check the second part of the sidelong epics that's posted

I don't take the view that that remark discredits the author, nor do I think that Pink Floys IS Prog, though I would say that Pink Floyd made Prog and progressive rock.  I really don't like in terms of bands/ artists being Prog in and of themselves, I think in terms of the band's music.  Not only do I not think Floyd to be the Prog genre in and of itself, but much of the band's music is not what I would call particularly Prog (the major traits that I associate with the "genre" and movement).  I consider the "Atom Heart Mother" suite to be a good example of Prog.  Just as Prog can have different definitions, bands can be pigeon-holed in different ways.  I wouldn't say that Genesis is Prog either, though I would say that the band made Prog albums.  I, too, don't see why he should be expected to keep his opinion to himself.  You, also, can express your opinion, on whether you think Pink Floyd prog as such.

As for the emoticon use, I don't see  those as particularly friendly emoticons on the whole, nor do I think that they make your post look more friendly.  Emoticon-use is open to interpretation.  I use them as a form of shorthand sometimes (mostly to let people know that I'm not being that serious with Mr. Winky), but I really don't like emoticons, and if I had my way, they would be removed from the site.  For instance, the tongue sticking-out emoticon indicates sarcasm to me, and I don't find sarcasm friendly.  Some add emoticons merely to make comments look softer (strictly for appearance) in a disingenuous way.

If you were really going for friendly, then instead of talking about the author of the thread in a disparaging way to start the post (didn't find those emoticons made it friendlier either), you could have addressed it specifically to Paravion by name and started with some positive comments before expressing your concern.  As you mentioned, he's already addressed your post, and I don't think it's a big deal, and apparently neither does he.

Personal note: A lot of the progressive rock (or rock-related music) I listen to I don't think of as Prog-proper, and I would rather use other terms to describe the music.  I don't consider myself to be a Prog fan, and I do not consider Dark Side of the Moon to be as Prog as Tarkus (doesn't matter that I don't like Tarkus but that is far more quintessentially Prog by genre to me). 

As for whether or not most of the 70's groups would not have existed without Floyd, I doubt that, but can't say for sure as I've never researched it, but even if it that were true, it would not necessarily make the band itself Prog (nor even the music -- depends what Prog means.  Some treat it as  a specific genre or as a  specific movement).  Prog doesn't just mean progressive rock to me (of course quite a bit of Prog is not progressive anyway).

As for my choice -- hard.  I'm tempted to go with "Out-bloody-rageous" but there are many I like, and some that I haven't listened to in years so no vote unless I revisit more of them.

Gosh, we here at PA sure do enjoy subjecting ourselves to the same poll in a slightly altered form about once a week!

hobocamp wrote: None of the above. A Passion Play - SIde One

Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - May 02 2010 at 21:07

None of the above.

thellama73 wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Paravion wrote: ..  (I considered including pink floyd's echoes or atom heart mother, but for me, pf will never be prog as such)    Isn't strange when one single sentence can discredit  the author of a thread despite anotherwise excellent idea......     Such comments (even if you think it), would best be kept to yourself.... FLOYD is prog, whether you like it or not and no matter how restrictive you are (and your list indicates you're not too restrictive) ..... but if you don't believe me, check our database That seems a little extreme. Just because you don't agree with his opinion, there's no reason to browbeat him over it and suggest that he shouldn't express it. I myself don't think of Pink Floyd as prog in the same way that Genesis and Yes are (although they are undeniably progressive.) This is a discussion forum and telling another member that they had best keep their opinions to themselves is unhelpful to any discussion. p.s. I am in a Krautrocky mood, so I will vote for Amboss, especially since there is no Rush option.

You're right, no Rush is also a bit of a shock as well

 

 

 

Well there you go..... at least you see them as such. I don't think I'm bullying Paravion around too much (he didn't seem to take it as such in the post following yours either). I used friendly emoticons to get my point across.  I did say that outside that useless remark, his choice was rather good.

 

What does bug me is this constant bickering about Floyd being not prog... it's a recurring thing on this forum  >>> wuithout Floyd, most of the 70's groups wouldn't have happened. This debate has been flogged to death and Floyd detractors systematically proven wrong.

 

Generaly those who post such comments have a very narrow definition of "prog" (as inretro-sympho- neo-prog), and I could argue that 90's neo-prog has nothing prog either. 

 

 

I'll go check the second part of the sidelong epics that's posted

 

Close To The Edge was my first side-long experience, and still my favorite. It's organic and lush - flows the best out of any of the classic side longs, IMO. That's what's important to me. I love Supper's Ready, but can't love it as much as CTTE just because it feels like 5 different songs.

A lot of good ones!  My vote went to Song of Scheherezade.  I just love the way it builds up in several places and its use of dynamics.

Mumps was my first prog rock epic. That Dave Stewart keyboard sound is so nostalgic to me, I can cry.