One of the (many) great things about ProgArchives and being a part of this great community is the chance to explore the scene. During these explorations, Oaksenham and their studio album seemed like a good album to purchase. I was not let down. Their Conquest Of The Pacific is a great album and I am very humble and grateful towards the great ProgArchive community who gave me the chance to broaden my horizon by listening to this album and many, many other great albums from around the world. When I started to do interviews for ProgArchives; this band was close to the top of my list of bands I wanted to include in this interview data base. So I got in touch with Vaghagn Papayan for the Oaksenham story.
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Let's
start with the beginning. When was Oaksenham set up, by whom and how
was your formative years ?
Oaksenham
was founded by Vahagn Papayan – bass guitar player(that’s me) and
drummer Ashot Korganyan. We played together in another Armenian
art-rock band “Dumbarton Oaks” in the first half of the 90ies.
The preparations for the new band began since 1999. By preparations I
mean the writing and arranging of some material as well as searching
for the rest of the crew. Armenia is a small country and rock music
at that times wasn’t even close to be popular, the situation with
prog continues to remain even worse ‘til now, so musicians willing
to play essentially non commercial music were not to be found around
each corner. Valery Tolstov joined the band on flute & organ, and
it was in 2001 that an ensemble of acoustic instruments gave its
first performance under the name of Oaksenham, though most of the
musicians were invited guests for a single gig.
Just
after that festival (called “Pacific”) Vardan Gasparyan joined
the band on electric and acoustic guitars. The forming of original
line-up was completed by Anna Adamyan(kbd) & Koryun
Bobikyan(violin).
The
first concert took place on June 5th,
2002, on Wednesday evening, hence the name of the live album that
came out from that evening.(Wednesday = Woden’s day)
In
late 2004 the first studio album was recorded at MDP(now
Vibrographus) studio, but at the same time first problems with the
personnel were up to occur, as Valery Tolstov was leaving for
Switzerland to continue study years there, and Anna has got married
and soon left for St. Petersburg, Russia.
In
August 2005 Valery returned for his first holidays with some newly
written material and the band came together with a guest pianist Hayk
Shakaryan for a couple of concerts. The sound of the new compositions
was much more folk-jazzy due to Valery’s offered tunes in the
manner of Armenian folk melodies and Hayk Shakaryan’s mostly
jazz-fusion style of harmonies and improvisation.
In
late 2005 a constant member appeared on keyboards, a young
student-composer Vardan Harutyunyan.
Just
to start with, Please give me your (long or brief) thoughts and
lowdowns on the following releases.......
Your
studio album Conquest Of The Pacific from 2006.
“Conquest
of the Pacific” was recorded in late 2004. There are too many
reasons why it was released only in 2006 or even later, some of those
beyond our will. First of all it was a computer crash, which would
have caused us the loss of all edited data haven’t we met by chance
an old genuine friend of ours, who saved the HDD content. Then the
mixing process, which became too elongated because never before in
Armenia a work of such scale in terms of number of instruments, their
unusual combination, and quantity of the recorded tracks was done.
The next chapter in the process of time-losing was the search for a
proper label willing to release it. Our friend and manager Arman
Padaryan worked really very hard and finally succeeded, but even
after signing a contract with Musea Records it took almost another
year till the CD came out.
The story of
creating the “Conquest of the Pacific” lies in the fact that we
started as an acoustic band and a lot of works were arranged for a
pure chamber line-up, and preliminarily it was decided to release two
albums, one with an acoustic sound(sort of a medieval minstrel band
would have),
and the second with electric instruments. But since I have played
long time in a symphonic orchestra on the bassoon, I was really fond
of creating some equivalent fusion of rock sound and symphony
orchestra instruments, and after a lot of discussion we decided to
combine both line-ups in a united record. The main theory on the
“Conquest” arrangement is the equal rights of the instruments. It
isn’t based on the usual standpoint that the rock band is the hero
and the classical instruments are sort of a back-up. Every instrument
is a soloist and each one of them is a supporter.
There
are many tracks on the album that were designed in the old days of
“Dumbarton Oaks” but they have crossed the long way of growing up
and maturation. And all of them were rearranged for this particular
ensemble. Also there are some newly born tracks as Water Spark, The
Way Back Home, Time-out and Across the Atlantic.
The
title suite “Conquest of the Pacific” includes the 5 final tracks
which are linked thematically, and one can hear a plenty of
leitmotivs and reminiscences through all 5 movements, including
quotes from English Classical composers as Purcell, Elgar and Ian
Anderson. The idea of using the Elgar march in a rock composition
occurred to me as early as 1991, when Manchester United won the
Cupwinners’ Cup final against Barcelona after the 5 year ban of the
English clubs. It reminded me of another victory back in 1588, when
Drake crushed the Spanish Armada. So I put the rock revised version
of the “Pomp & Circumstance” march in the finale of the
“Conquest of the Pacific” suite, which is actually a
phantasmagoria on the theme of tragic and at the same time glorious
friendship between two English seamen and pirates John Oxenham and
Sir Francis Drake.
Your
live Woden's Eve Live album from 2002.
It
was our first gig, as an opening act for ARTSRUNI. And it was Vahan
Artsruni who provided a stereo recording that night. No multitracks,
no overdubs, and obviously no possibility for further mixing and
balancing. It sounds just as it went on the concert. We were inspired
at the time, but now the sound quality and the overall balance of the
instruments isn’t of course what we like the most. But it is a
document, and we are lucky to have it preserved.
What
is the latest update on Oaksenham ?
Ironically
the latest update is the fact that Oaksenham is not going to split
completely. Since 2008 we weren’t undertaking any activities as our
guitarist Vardan Gasparyan declared that he’s quitting the band and
actually so he did. We were in a sort of mute condition for almost
two years, except for a single participation on a festival with a new
guitarist. But just a month ago Vardan came up with a suggestion that
it’s a shame if Oaksenham doesn’t exist (I repeat his own words).
So he seduced us to restart and try to record a new album probably
this year. With unendurably great amount of the unrecorded material
we used to have in our repertoire it seems there will be lot of
argues which works are to be recorded and released on the coming
album first.
I
have compared your band to the likes of Gentle Giant, Cathedral (the '70s
version) and Jethro Tull.But how would you describe your music and who
would you compare yourself to ?
I
dare not compare us to any of those bands, but of course we are
desperately influenced by them, especially GG, JT as well as “Focus”
and “Yes”.
Due
to the sound of our first album we are often been resembled to
“Gryphon”. I like that band very much, but truly to say I’ve
discovered them too late to be influenced by, actually I have written
& arranged those pieces on the album without a deep knowledge of
“Gryphon”. And of course speaking of influences I can’t help
mentioning my favourite classical composers, especially Wagner,
Bruckner, and Mahler… and Jon Lord (why not?). I think the
symphonic trend in Oaksenham music is the most important. We don’t
care as much for melody or harmony or sound alone, as for the
growing, developing, transformational qualities of the musical
themes, the interaction between the different segments of the musical
form. I think that’s the main point which makes the music symphonic
– hence progressive. For me these two adjectives are too much
synonymous.
Our drummer is a
great fanatical listener of every kind of rock, and he called me
recently, said: “I’ll give you an album that Oaksenham might have
recorded in the 70ies”. And it was a band called “Myrthrandir”
and I think that’s the only album they had.
Besides surely all
the members have their own tastes and influences. Our guitarist is
too much in love with John McLaughlin and Jan Akkerman. The new guy
on the keyboards (also Vardan) is a worshipper of modern minimalists,
such as Arvo Pjart.
But the mixture of
all these influences and is been summed up as Oaksenham.
You
are from Armenia, a country in the mountainous Caucasus region.
Please
tell us more about your life in Armenia, the music scene there which
includes Artsruni and how it is to run a band there.
Armenia
is a nice place, day-by-day getting closer to nasty. To be a musician
here is in itself a heroism, if you’re impudent enough to have your
own principles and merits in life that predominate upon your want of
fame or money. I think it’s the same as everywhere else, but as we
can’t boast of better conditions in the past and solid tradition in
the field of rock music, the situation is not inspiring. I daresay
Artsruni, Oaksenham and few other bands are sort of self-isolated
islands, because they don’t want to take part in the
mainstream-pop-rock glamour feast. Meanwhile they are isolated also
geographically from the rest of the world, where maybe other kind of
feasts & fests are taking place.
Fortunately
the last 2 years Armenia became integrated into the world’s rock
life by means of real world-class groups’ concerts. Alan Parsons,
Planet X were the pioneers, then came Jethro Tull and Uriah Heep.
Only few days have passed from Orchestral Ian Gillan concert and just
yesterday we were blessed by John McLaughlin’s 4th
Dimension’s concert. On May 25 we are hosting Deep Purple and Ian
Anderson is expected to perform with orchestra in September. Never
before Armenian fans were happy to listen to the musicians of such
calibre and stature live.
What
has been the international and national reaction to your albums so far
?
The
national reaction was a breathtaking fun. In February 2009 we were
suddenly informed that our “Conquest of the Pacific” album is
nominated for the best rock album on the National Music Awards that
usually take place every year. That competition never was of any
respect among serious musicians, so I hurried to withdraw from
participating, but our manager said it was too late, as the
“celebration” was appointed just the next day. To our luck and
deepest satisfaction we lost to a band performing reggae music. It
was really worth a hearty laugh and besides we retained our chastity
by not mingling in the glorious pop charts.
The international
reaction was much more pleasant. We’ve got some nice reviews, and
some letters of encouragement from such far edges of the earth as
Indonesia or Venezuela.
What
is your plans for this year and where do you want to take this band ?
Recording
an album. To the Gates of Delirium or to the Dark Side of the Moon.
Just
to wrap this interview up; do you have any regrets in your music career
?
I
passed your question to our guitarist (Vardan Gasparyan), he said:
“Tell them we have no time for regrets, we’re on the battlefield,
in the front rank”. Sounds somewhat self-indulgent, isn’t it?
But
speaking seriously there is one major regret for Oaksenham. It’s
about “The Beatles-Fantasy”, a 5-piece composition for rock trio
(guitar, bass-guitar, drums) & woodwind quintet (flute, oboe,
clarinet, bassoon and French horn). Its live concert recording on 22
April, 2004 has failed due to some technical mistakes concerning the
equipment. Still we consider some mysterious malice was hovering in
the air that day, as April 22nd
is the birthday of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, the godfather of communism,
so it couldn’t have been otherwise. We are very careful about the
choice of days after that.
What
is your five all time favourite albums ?
The
most difficult task. How can one choose from… It isn’t fair. I
can give at least 10. And still it isn’t fair either...
1.
Deep Purple “Concerto for Group and Orchestra”
2.
Deep Purple “In Rock”
3.
Jethro Tull “Songs from the Wood”
4.
Renaissance “A Song for All Seasons”
5.
Yes “Going for the One”
6.
VanderGraaf Generator “Godbluff”
7.
Yes “Tales from Topographic Oceans”
8.
Gentle Giant “Octopus”
9.
Transatlantic “Bridge Across Forever”
10.Arthur
Brown “Galactic Zoo Dossier”
Anything
you want to add to this interview?
We
dream, we hope, we always will...
Vahagn
Papayan (Oaksenham, bass guitar, composer)
A big thank you to Vahagn Papayan. A new Oaksenham album is great news, indeed.
Their PA profile is here and their website is here
Edited by toroddfuglesteg - April 30 2010 at 04:08
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