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paganinio
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Topic: How do I compose medieval music? Posted: March 18 2010 at 21:36 |
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The OP should read some books about composition, and complete a college course. Medieval music is relatively easy to compose, because there weren't many chords you can use (most of the chords were yet to be invented). You didn't have to worry about instruments, because medieval music is nothing but a bunch of humans singing together. The musical forms were extremely limited. If you're already a classical music composer, you should be able to master medieval music composition very quickly. |
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The Runaway
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 02:28 | |
Again, thanks!!!
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tszirmay
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 01:38 | |
Actually Italian artist Gian Castello has a splendid medieval album called Taliesyn that you should check out , its sheer magic. Also worthy is the early Malicorne stuff, perhaps a tad more Celtic (read Breton) . On the learning side , you should look up the motets ( polyphonic composition based on a sacred text and usually sung without accompaniment) and cantatas (musical composition, often using a sacred text, comprising recitatives, arias, and choruses). That would be a great beginning IMHO. BTW, I am a sucker for medieval music , whether coated in prog or not!
You can also join a singing monastery where they never talk, just sing! Edited by tszirmay - March 18 2010 at 01:39 |
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The Runaway
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Posted: March 15 2010 at 11:45 | |
I opened this thread BECAUSE of GG!
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Certif1ed
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Posted: March 15 2010 at 08:47 | |
Parallel 5ths are a useful device - although, obviously, if you use them on a high-gain guitar sound, they'll only sound like power chords. 6/8 time signatures are cool for that "instant mediaeval" flavour, with plenty of regular crotchet-quaver based rhythms
Melodically, beginning a tune with a 3rd leap (could be major or minor, upwards or downwards), then simply following in step-fashion gives the right shape. Short sequences, and short sequences of quick runs are a fairly typical feature, especially approaching the end of a phrase or section.
Harmonically, it's good to contrast segments of perfect synchronisation (e.g. the crotchet-quaver pattern), then offset some of the parts, including imitation and suspensions - but, while you could have the entire melody imitated a few bars later (as in Gentle Giant's "On Reflection") don't make the counterpoint too busy or fugal, or it'll sound Baroque - or Jazzy, like GG (which you actually might want...).
Some "mediaeval" harmonies could be quite jazzy - mostly as a result of suspensions, but resolve all suspensions - a "step down then up" approach always works wonders, but incorporating a turn style decoration is a feature of much early lute music - and leave out the 3rd in the final chord of each section.
You could also use a kind of elongated drone effect, with the bass part simply rocking between the root and 5th of the tonic, while the melody instrument goes off, potentially into quite exotic territory. I've heard some quite exquisite lute music which is basically just this - and it's most mellow and relaxing.
Modulations work well - while not exactly mediaeval, madrigals often used modulations, especially from a major key to its relative minor or vice versa, to express an emotion.
These are all generalisations - the best way to learn really is to listen to the "real deal", and learn how to play the cornett, sackbutt or lute (Jan Akkerman did).
Or if it's theory you want, there's really no better reading than Phillipe de Vitry.
If you enjoyed de Vitry, you'll also like Franco and Johannes de Garlandia Edited by Certif1ed - March 15 2010 at 08:49 |
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The Runaway
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 23:51 | |
Thanks!
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nightlamp
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 21:50 | |
My suggestion to you is to roll up your sleeves and get involved with whichever medieval music genres appeal to you most. Sing chant, join the local recorder society, learn to play instrumental tunes or cantigas on your preferred instrument. Find a mentor or a teacher and learn a medieval instrument and its performance practice. Study, study study! Maybe take a college course (not Music Appreciation), read books and articles. Once you have a grasp of the theory and stylistic practices you'll be better equipped to compose "authentic" sounding tunes.
Some instrumental groups I heartily recommend: Jordi Savall & Hesperion XX/XXI, Sequentia, Dufay Collective, Ensemble Unicorn, Ensemble Alcatraz, Eduardo Paniagua. Hope this helps a little, good luck in your neomedieval endeavors. Be aware though, that once you've caught the early music bug it can be just as detrimental to your bank account as prog rock! |
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refugee
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 07:54 | |
Wikipedia may be a good place to start, for instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_nova And of course you need to listen to a lot of medieval music. Theory is important, but it’s far from enough. |
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Dean
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 04:58 | |
Jacob Handl (aka Gallus), not George Frideric Handl of course.
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What?
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The Runaway
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 03:07 | |
NTY.
Thanks for the tips Abe and Ludjak, although your last link leads to Handl...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 15:16 | |
Have you tried going all medieval on yourself yet? I recommend repeatedly hitting yourself on the head with with a board whilst marching in a group of similarly non-mined peoples
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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AbrahamSapien
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 14:14 | |
I don't really know. I only remember, that we were told so at school ...
This is what I found after a quick search: http://www2.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Jacob_Handl All paths lead to Wikipedia. Edited by AbrahamSapien - February 28 2010 at 14:31 |
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Ludjak
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 13:30 | |
I've never heard anything by him, but I have a 200 tolar banknote somewhere Is there something available (recordings, scores)? |
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AbrahamSapien
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 13:18 | |
You forgot Gallus, the master of polyphony. |
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Ludjak
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 12:03 | |
I'd suggest intensive listening to music from the period (Pérotin, Guillaume de Machaut, anonymous troubadour stuff and the [more sophisticated] Renaisssance masters such as Orlando di Lasso or Palestrina) and getting hold of a few scores (if you're lucky) to see how things worked. A book or two on polyphonic composition could also be useful (I don't know of any, though :/).
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The Runaway
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 03:23 | |
If you research, you can see that medieval IS a musical genre, just one that spanned over a long amount of decades.
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cobb2
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Posted: February 26 2010 at 22:27 | |
Isn't medieval just a term given to any music pre Rennaissance, when they started writing things down? If so doesn't that make it not a style, but just a very long period in musical history.
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The Runaway
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Posted: February 26 2010 at 15:43 | |
Talybont, AND Gryphon, double fail.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: February 26 2010 at 15:41 | |
That's modern rock music. Maybe if you had said Gryphon I would have let you go with it |
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The Runaway
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Posted: February 26 2010 at 15:38 | |
I just found all the episodes and finished the show after years of living in tension (last episode I watched before was the first Eclipse battle episode, around a year ago, so yeah, I was damn nervous).
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