A new prog sub-genre : post punk

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   Imagine Prog Archives with: Go Go's

one could only dream....  don't you think the first review with a first hand account of having sex with Belinda Carlisle would be worth the price of admission into the hallowed halls of PROG ARCHIVES.

beat hearing about sleeping with Greg Lake

ExittheLemming wrote: Ivan, do you believe that there are currently sufficient numbers of non-prog bands in the database (discounting prog-related and proto) to warrant any concerns that PA's integrity as a specialist prog rock site is being undermined ?

1. Go Go's
2. Blondie
3. Kim Carnes
4. OMD
5. The Human League
6. Depeche Mode
7. Euryrithmics
8. Mr Mister
9. Peter Schilling
10. Thomas Dolby

That's New Wave, which is part of the Post Punk movement, and I believe this bands have no place in PA.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 19 2010 at 14:45

I just got a handle on what post rock "is" last year...post punk would be what...Presence Of Soul?

I don't get what the big deal with Wire is. Pink Flag was annoying.

Bonnek wrote: I can't speak for other people and have no clue to their motives. To me one sub is not inferior to another sub so an extra non-prog section wouldn't make it inferior. But that's still besides the point for me. I'm not here to push my favourite bands to stardom but I'm here to try to share my love for the prog artists that I know and to discover new ones. That's why I am in favour of opening the site to a wider range of music because I have the idealistic belief that it could draw in more people into prog. Of course a sister site is a nice idea as well.

Bonnek wrote: JLocke wrote: Bonnek wrote:   1) Not adding bands is not an option. That is the same as becoming irrelevant. Sure it is. We deny bands from inclusion all the time here. As someone corrected me already, I meant "Not adding bands at all." Alright, then. 2) Adding bands the way it's done now must be a hell of a job for those involved and creates many new additions that are frowned upon. Especially in the subs ExitTheL mentionned. Every band that is added ultimately fits the sub-genre they end up in, otherwise they wouldn't get added. If some members don't like those bands, it doesn't have any baring on what the team leaders say. That's how it should be. Completely agree. My suggestion below is only for the relief of people who don't want to see the Bowie, Sabbath or My Dying Bride reviews on the front page. Those people are too far leaning in the other direction. The non-prog bands that are already here still had enough prog ties in order to be included. I have no problem with those cases, and some people will complain about anything. I'm not nearly as prudish, but even my patience begins to wear thin after Dire Straits have been suggested for the upteenth time.  3) So is there an alternative? Could PA indulge a general rock or whatever section? No. The closest we have to that is 'Prog-Related', and that should give enough elbow room to satisfy anybody.  Sure it does, but I think the non-prog reviews thread of TheGazzardian is an excellent idea. Only, with those reviews in a thread it will not be very practical to look them up. So that's why I would support Finnforest's idea to have a separate sub "All Rock" or "Other Stuff we Love", where all collaborator's could add any band they want, providing they add bio's, full disco, reviews, etc. Any review in this section wouldn't even have to appear on the home site. Then what is the point of it? The people who want these bands added also want them to be considered 'prog' by the mighty Prog Experts, otherwise they wouldn't suggest them to begin with. It's all about people not being able to openyl admit that they like all different types of music. They get into prog rock, but into all the elitism bullsh*t, then they want to have their cake and eat it, too. So they suggest some of their favorite non-prog bands for inclusion in hopes that it will somehow 'validate' them. If those bands were added anyway, but not held in the same high regard as the other artists listed here, that wouldn't please the fans of those bands anyway, and would clutter up the site; seperate section, or not.  Now, if you are suggesting an entirely different site run in the same fashion, that would make the most sense. A 'sister site' of some sort to this one with all different staff members and all different bands listed, yet still formatted the same way as PA would be the only way I could think of to please everybody. That way the databases would work the same way. but all of the bands would be given the proper treatment.  Aside from that happening, I don't see a solution other than destroying what this sits is all about in the process of appeasing everyone's whims.

Raff wrote: Iain, do you want my very honest opinion? I believe that people who leave the site because of an addition they disagree with are immature, and good riddance to them anyway. I wish people could summon such energy when fighting for more relevant causes than the content of a progressive rock database. Though I have stepped away from the site on several occasions, it was NEVER because of a controversial addition, but for much more personal matters.

sleeper wrote: Quite frankly, I dont get what the problem is, this site isnt remotely coming close to being a new Allmusic site and the cries of such is just pointless scaremonguering (sp?). The influence of the original prog bands has spread far and wide throughout the music world to a huge number of genres. A good number of bands that come from music scenes that exist outside of what is considered prog (in a traditional sense) have taken on some of the more important charecteristics of  those pioneering bands and made them part of the cornerstones of their music. The result is that the creatin of Tech/Extreme, Math/Post Rock/Metal and a few other geners was nessecary because the existing genres were becoming completely unwheldy and almost unuseable.   Bands are evaluated on an idividual basis and I know that everyone working on a genre team has a good idea of what they consider prog. The whole point of these teams is so that no one person can decide to add a band that may be controversial, but these are people that know their genres inside out and should be trusted to come to a sensible concensus. They also know that to please everybody all the time is a fools errand and so dont even try.   Speaking as a former member of the PMT, I know for a fact that the three metal subs are filled with progressive bands, but that doesnt mean I agree with every single one of them.   TheBox, why do you have to wait for reviews of obscure gems to appear on the front page that you might like, in a sight with thousands of bands thats a terrible way to go about things.

Yep, the comparisons to All Music are spurious certainly and I know you have considered you post carefully but those bands you identify in bold you would consider not 100% Prog surely ?
(I'm not playing the purist card here as that is repugnant to me but you have described with considerable eloquence, prog-related artists)

Quite frankly, I dont get what the problem is, this site isnt remotely coming close to being a new Allmusic site and the cries of such is just pointless scaremonguering (sp?). The influence of the original prog bands has spread far and wide throughout the music world to a huge number of genres. A good number of bands that come from music scenes that exist outside of what is considered prog (in a traditional sense) have taken on some of the more important charecteristics of  those pioneering bands and made them part of the cornerstones of their music. The result is that the creatin of Tech/Extreme, Math/Post Rock/Metal and a few other geners was nessecary because the existing genres were becoming completely unwheldy and almost unuseable.

Raff wrote: Iain, do you want my very honest opinion? I believe that people who leave the site because of an addition they disagree with are immature, and good riddance to them anyway. I wish people could summon such energy when fighting for more relevant causes than the content of a progressive rock database. Though I have stepped away from the site on several occasions, it was NEVER because of a controversial addition, but for much more personal matters. If people really want to help the site, they should be more active in the forums in a constructive way (i.e. not just bashing what they don't like), and post their own reviews of what they consider prog. There are lots of great PROG albums of the original era that have very few reviews, and/or are never discussed in the forum (I could mention one if you like: East of Eden's Mercator Projected). Why don't those people do something about that, instead of asking for ghettos to be created?

I am confused here, are you reffering to me? If you ARE, well, i never left the site because of something that bothered me, and to the you the truth, I came here 3 months before you, although I am not that active of course. I think I was very polite in my posts, and I am entitled to my own opinions and suggestions, which I openly voice. I don't see how this has offended you...