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Chris S 
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 16:10 |
The funny thing is the Yes guys can go about their business in whatever way they choose. Fandom is bizaar, most people are retired by 65, give Jon Anderson a break. Can you imagine touring for so many rewarding years, making so many rewarding pieces of music, satisfying most fans with incredible performances and after all that.......stumbling upon a thread like this. Enough to make the guys perform Hari Kiri
Bottom line any Yes lineup will entertain, old and new and touring is the only way to make money these days
How else are they gonna be able to pay for their golf games.
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lazland
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Posted: March 02 2010 at 15:40 |
 cstack3 wrote:
Uh....I really don't think that Mssr. Benoit David will be capable of writing words like these:
"Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources,
Chased amid fusions of wonder, in moments hardly seen forgotten,
Coloured in pastures of chance dancing leaves cast spells of
challenge,
Amused but real in thought, we fled from the sea whole...."
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But to be fair to the man, no one else is capable of writing lyrics like that 
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cstack3
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 23:12 |
Uh....I really don't think that Mssr. Benoit David will be capable of writing words like these:
"Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources,
Chased amid fusions of wonder, in moments hardly seen forgotten,
Coloured in pastures of chance dancing leaves cast spells of
challenge,
Amused but real in thought, we fled from the sea whole...."
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 23:10 |
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Typical bass-player screwup! I'm working on it....
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 19:24 |
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^ Raff, I don't believe you could EVER be a sheep in any situation. You're much to bright for that.
Seriously, guys . . . don't take my rantings too closely to heart, alright? I mean no ill will when I bitch about modern Yes. I simply have very strong opinions, and sometimes I go a little too far when expressing them. |
hahha... don't worry... sounds like someone we both know 
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JLocke
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 19:22 |
^ Raff, I don't believe you could EVER be a sheep in any situation. You're much to bright for that.
Seriously, guys . . . don't take my rantings too closely to heart, alright? I mean no ill will when I bitch about modern Yes. I simply have very strong opinions, and sometimes I go a little too far when expressing them.
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 19:09 |
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hahha.. you are many things darling... but a sheep. Hah.. no .that you are not.
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Raff
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 18:48 |
Good thing we didn't go to see them (lost over $100 in tickets anyway), or we might have seen ourselves called 'glazey-eyed sheep' for applauding the band if we happened to like them in spite of everything . I've been called many things in my life, and not a lot of them complimentary, but sheep was never one of them.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 18:43 |
I'm a monitor/stirrer. It's a double shift job. 
Nah, man. Like I said in my last post . . . I come off as an ass more often than I intend. 
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JLocke
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 18:41 |
jplanet wrote:
JLocke wrote:
I've already said that the guy was paraphrasing, and that he didn't even give a link to the actual interview. Also, there is no punctuation to clearly mark where the quote ends. But if I did misunderstand where the quote ended and the opinion began, I'm willing to take back my original reaction. I'm still not buying it until I find the actual interview where Steve mentions the line-up not working anymore. Then I'll know for sure what he did or didn't say.
I don't care how many glazey-eyed sheep follow this forgery around and give standing ovations at shows; I've seen footage of this new Yes in action, and it's not enjoyable for me. I don't understand how anybody can support this move by Steve, Alan and Chris when you take into consideration how close Jon is to Yes, and how he nearly died of health issues, during which time none of the guys in the band even bothered to check in to see how he was doing.
Nah . . . keep your standing ovations and all that jazz. I'm not condemning you for enjoying it, but I don't have to like them for behaving this way. I would expect anybody who actually gives a damn about what Yes was truly about would also feel the way I do, but perhaps now I'm just getting cheeky.
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Oops, sorry, I had no idea that this was so heated, I would have commented differently - I was just sharing my personal experience with this lineup and I was curious about the possible Howe comment...
Band lineups can have special meanings to people, I understand...I had no interest in Page/Plant due to John Paul Jones' absence (I always felt he was the secret ingredient that set Zeppelin apart)...
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Oh, I hope you don't think I was directing those remark directly at you, man.  Damn, I really need to watch how I say things, on here. When will I ever learn?
No, I was just saying that just because people are loyal to a band, that doesn't meant the people within said band are worthy of the praise. I've read up on what Jon Anderson and his family endured during Yes' downtime, and I suppose my heart goes out the guy. Then, seeing how coldly the band has seemed to act towards him since, it does get me a little hot under the collar.
But I didn't mean to say that you were supporting them despite their behavior. You're just supporting the music that you love, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm just explaining why on a personal level, I cannot bring myself to support them at this time.
As I have said already in this thread, I know I'm the one suffering from my decision. Yes certainly aren't hurting without my measly one ticket.
Edited by JLocke - February 28 2010 at 18:42
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 04:07 |
JLocke wrote:
I don't care how many glazey-eyed sheep follow this forgery around and give standing ovations at shows... |
Shouldn't you be monitoring this place, instead of stirring things up with such... remarks?
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 03:45 |
JLocke wrote:
I've already said that the guy was paraphrasing, and that he didn't even give a link to the actual interview. Also, there is no punctuation to clearly mark where the quote ends. But if I did misunderstand where the quote ended and the opinion began, I'm willing to take back my original reaction. I'm still not buying it until I find the actual interview where Steve mentions the line-up not working anymore. Then I'll know for sure what he did or didn't say.
I don't care how many glazey-eyed sheep follow this forgery around and give standing ovations at shows; I've seen footage of this new Yes in action, and it's not enjoyable for me. I don't understand how anybody can support this move by Steve, Alan and Chris when you take into consideration how close Jon is to Yes, and how he nearly died of health issues, during which time none of the guys in the band even bothered to check in to see how he was doing.
Nah . . . keep your standing ovations and all that jazz. I'm not condemning you for enjoying it, but I don't have to like them for behaving this way. I would expect anybody who actually gives a damn about what Yes was truly about would also feel the way I do, but perhaps now I'm just getting cheeky.
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Oops, sorry, I had no idea that this was so heated, I would have commented differently - I was just sharing my personal experience with this lineup and I was curious about the possible Howe comment... Band lineups can have special meanings to people, I understand...I had no interest in Page/Plant due to John Paul Jones' absence (I always felt he was the secret ingredient that set Zeppelin apart)...
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JLocke
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 01:02 |
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:59 |
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JLocke
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:45 |
jplanet wrote:
JLocke wrote:
More quotes (apparently) from full-of-himself Steve Howe:
'' . . . the ''classic line-up'' isn't working anymore. And the fact that Jon won't sing anything from Drama and some other songs is really pathetic. You'd think at his age he would be able to park the ego. The future of the band is now Benoit and Oliver. They both bring new energy to the band and will probably keep the longevity of the band going for a few more years.''
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^ The user ''Bobby'' is quoting him without any direct links to the said interview, so if anybody can confirm whether that's an actually Steve quote, it would be appreciated.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if he did in fact say it.
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All that Howe said was that the classic lineup wasn't working anymore, note that user Bobby's post is actually:
"... Steve said in an interview that the "classic line-up" wasn't working anymore. And the fact that Jon won't sing anything from Drama and some other songs is really pathetic..."
So, he was just paraphrasing the part about the lineup not working, what followed was just Bobby's opinion...
FWIW, I've seen this lineup three times, and they have been fantastic - I only got to see Yes with Jon Anderson twice before, many years apart, and I must sheepishly admit that I miss Rick Wakeman more than Jon! Oliver is somewhat bland, but I think his job is more to convey the material as-recorded rather than become a new identity, but maybe that will change after their new album. I am very happy that there is an actively touring lineup of Yes...If anyone is standing on the sidelines and missing these shows because of the controversy, do yourself a favor - go see them. I am sure I didn't imagine the three standing ovations the last time I saw them....
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I've already said that the guy was paraphrasing, and that he didn't even give a link to the actual interview. Also, there is no punctuation to clearly mark where the quote ends. But if I did misunderstand where the quote ended and the opinion began, I'm willing to take back my original reaction. I'm still not buying it until I find the actual interview where Steve mentions the line-up not working anymore. Then I'll know for sure what he did or didn't say.
I don't care how many glazey-eyed sheep follow this forgery around and give standing ovations at shows; I've seen footage of this new Yes in action, and it's not enjoyable for me. I don't understand how anybody can support this move by Steve, Alan and Chris when you take into consideration how close Jon is to Yes, and how he nearly died of health issues, during which time none of the guys in the band even bothered to check in to see how he was doing.
Nah . . . keep your standing ovations and all that jazz. I'm not condemning you for enjoying it, but I don't have to like them for behaving this way. I would expect anybody who actually gives a damn about what Yes was truly about would also feel the way I do, but perhaps now I'm just getting cheeky.
Edited by JLocke - February 28 2010 at 00:49
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:30 |
JLocke wrote:
More quotes (apparently) from full-of-himself Steve Howe:
'' . . . the ''classic line-up'' isn't working anymore. And the fact that Jon won't sing anything from Drama and some other songs is really pathetic. You'd think at his age he would be able to park the ego. The future of the band is now Benoit and Oliver. They both bring new energy to the band and will probably keep the longevity of the band going for a few more years.''
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^ The user ''Bobby'' is quoting him without any direct links to the said interview, so if anybody can confirm whether that's an actually Steve quote, it would be appreciated.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if he did in fact say it.
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All that Howe said was that the classic lineup wasn't working anymore, note that user Bobby's post is actually: "... Steve said in an interview that the "classic line-up" wasn't working anymore. And the fact that Jon won't sing anything from Drama and some other songs is really pathetic..." So, he was just paraphrasing the part about the lineup not working, what followed was just Bobby's opinion... FWIW, I've seen this lineup three times, and they have been fantastic - I only got to see Yes with Jon Anderson twice before, many years apart, and I must sheepishly admit that I miss Rick Wakeman more than Jon! Oliver is somewhat bland, but I think his job is more to convey the material as-recorded rather than become a new identity, but maybe that will change after their new album. I am very happy that there is an actively touring lineup of Yes...If anyone is standing on the sidelines and missing these shows because of the controversy, do yourself a favor - go see them. I am sure I didn't imagine the three standing ovations the last time I saw them....
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:30 |
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^ Pretty classy of Jon to just laugh it off and go on with his life. Funny . . . he doesn't seem like the egotistical jerk Steve Howe made him out to be. Projecting a bit, there, Steve?
Whoever left that comment on the interview you just linked here hit the nail right on the head. Some fans will eat crap up no matter what as long as it still has the 'Yes' label on it. Sad, but oh well. |
Yeah, I agree!
I just feel that the band crapped on Anderson, maybe that is not what happened in reality.
I would have been MUCH more impressed if they had gone in a totally new direction with a vocalist, even a woman, rather than a tribute-band Jon Anderson wannabe that they found on YouTube!!
"Drama" isn't my favorite Yes album, but at least they didn't try to be sound-alike automatons.
Sounds like the band is "sheering the sheep" (Yes fans willing to pay to see some semblance of the band).
*sigh* this might be the beginning of the end for Yes....from what I've seen of Benoit David on YouTube, I'm not really very impressed.
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:09 |
^ Pretty classy of Jon to just laugh it off and go on with his life. Funny . . . he doesn't seem like the egotistical jerk Steve Howe made him out to be. Projecting a bit, there, Steve?
Whoever left that comment on the interview you just linked here hit the nail right on the head. Some fans will eat crap up no matter what as long as it still has the 'Yes' label on it. Sad, but oh well.
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Posted: February 28 2010 at 00:01 |
“They play with a different singer now; he looks and sounds like me when I was 25 (laughing). You know (laughing), they are my brothers, but sometimes you have to disagree even with your brothers. They just want to make money, which mainly means touring a lot these days; and by all means go out and tour, but don’t call it Yes, because that is definitely NOT Yes on tour. I will just say that I wish they had behaved in a more gentlemanly fashion.”
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Posted: February 27 2010 at 23:33 |
More quotes (apparently) from full-of-himself Steve Howe:
'' . . . the ''classic line-up'' isn't working anymore. And the fact that Jon won't sing anything from Drama and some other songs is really pathetic. You'd think at his age he would be able to park the ego. The future of the band is now Benoit and Oliver. They both bring new energy to the band and will probably keep the longevity of the band going for a few more years.''
^ The user ''Bobby'' is quoting him without any direct links to the said interview, so if anybody can confirm whether that's an actually Steve quote, it would be appreciated.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if he did in fact say it.
Edited by JLocke - February 27 2010 at 23:38
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