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Topic: Vinyl Posted: February 23 2011 at 16:10
Paravion wrote:
I'd not suggest buying some cheap USB record player (it's a horrible invention)
I have a USB turntable at it works amazing...so I don't understand these comments on USB turntables. The only difference is the soundcard is built into the turntable. And sure I am probably paying too much for the soundcard and I can use my laptop sound card just as easy, but its a convenience issue for me, I have tons of vinyl.
I do agree, the $99 ION USB turntables are garbage, because they are a plastic base. The high-end Stantons are pretty good but I think over priced.
I have the AudioTechnica LP120....one of the best direct-drive models I have ever owned. It weighs in at 23lbs, very stable die-cast aluminum and comes with the ATP2x cartridge which by itself sells for about $130.00.....That's where the awesome sound for vinyl comes from.
If you are not interested in converting vinyl to digital then I agree, stay away from the USB models....but there are a couple good ones out there. This LP120 is better than a Denon turntable I had years ago.
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 15:54
AbrahamSapien wrote:
One thing, what about colour vinyls? I've bought a rare red reissue of ITCOTCK, but I think that the scratches are more often every time I listen to the vinyl (it's plastic). They have grown stronger after I (but REALLY softly) cleaned the vinyl with a tissue. Is there anything wrong with that, or is it the vinyl? I've done the same with my other "regular" vinyls but didn't damage them.
NEVER use tissue to clean/wipe vinyl!! Tissue is made with wood fibers, cellulose material, and will guarantee to scratch your vinyl, just like you should never use tissue to clean your eye glasses......you will scratch the lenses.
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 09:17
Vinyl cheap?
I would have saved myself a lot of money, had I chosen to buy CDs instead of vinyl. Using 200-1000$ on an LP is not uncommon.
Anyway, I strongly oppose to any digital manipulation of sound-signals. If you take good care, buy records in decent condition and have decent sound-reproduction devices, noise and crackles is not a problem. I'd not suggest buying some cheap USB record player (it's a horrible invention) - decide whether you'll go for vinyl or not, and, if positive, do yourself a favour and get some decent equipment - your ears will be grateful.
Rega Planar 2. Not too expensive, good for starters and a delight for the eye. Invest in decent stylus as well.
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 08:34
The walls of your house may be made with vinyls piles, it doesn't mean that you've heard a real/well-setted vynil deck playing a good condition vinyl on a good system (lot of conditions isn't it?).
Edited by oliverstoned - February 23 2011 at 13:31
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 04:55
oliverstoned wrote:
JLocke wrote:
paganinio wrote:
I've never heard anything on Vinyl and I don't care. Maybe it could sound better at times.
It doesn't. The handling of the mix itself is the only difference. If done properly, the CD will sound just as good if not better than the Vinyl. Well, except it will be missing all of the hiss, pops and ticks that many here call that ''warmer'', ''richer'' sound.
You don't know what you're saying.
Speaking as someone who grew up on vinyl, so to speak, vinyl is, uh I hate to use this word, overrated. The album covers though...
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 01:41
JLocke wrote:
paganinio wrote:
I've never heard anything on Vinyl and I don't care. Maybe it could sound better at times.
It doesn't. The handling of the mix itself is the only difference. If done properly, the CD will sound just as good if not better than the Vinyl. Well, except it will be missing all of the hiss, pops and ticks that many here call that ''warmer'', ''richer'' sound.
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 07:49
AbrahamSapien wrote:
One thing, what about colour vinyls? I've bought a rare red reissue of ITCOTCK, but I think that the scratches are more often every time I listen to the vinyl (it's plastic). They have grown stronger after I (but REALLY softly) cleaned the vinyl with a tissue. Is there anything wrong with that, or is it the vinyl? I've done the same with my other "regular" vinyls but didn't damage them.
I would think that a dry [or even a wet] tissue [like Kleenex type tissue?] would/could leave tiny pieces of paper on the surface that would then get ground further into the grooves while your playing the record, causing surface noise. Try this;
I have a pile of square cloths cut from old sweatpants which have a nice soft texture that "gets into the grooves" so to speak. I use the outside as opposed to the inside which usually has a rougher, uneven texture. I spray some distilled water onto the cloth and wipe down the surface of the record. Once it's clean I wipe it with a dry cloth. For really dirty records I use a small amount of dishwashing liquid mixed with the water first. If clean labels are important then put something between your fingertips and the label while doing this because some labels are very sensitive to fingerprints. I usually put an old t-shirt on the table then put a new plastic album cover bag on top of that and then I place the LP on top of the bag.
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Posted: May 24 2010 at 13:28
One thing, what about colour vinyls? I've bought a rare red reissue of ITCOTCK, but I think that the scratches are more often every time I listen to the vinyl (it's plastic). They have grown stronger after I (but REALLY softly) cleaned the vinyl with a tissue. Is there anything wrong with that, or is it the vinyl? I've done the same with my other "regular" vinyls but didn't damage them.
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Posted: May 17 2010 at 15:56
the vinyl may not have a superior sound to cd, but the experience is. you'll take out a beautifully packaged vinyl and carefully take out the inner bag, place the record on the turntable, drop the needle down, study the inserts, sleeve and lyrics and stuff while listening, and change side after 15-20 minutes. with cd you just take it out from an ugly jewel case and hit play, then often start doing something else and the listening is not the main activity. with vinyl you'll most likely put more emotion and ambition into listening.
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Posted: May 17 2010 at 00:18
paganinio wrote:
I've never heard anything on Vinyl and I don't care. Maybe it could sound better at times.
It doesn't. The handling of the mix itself is the only difference. If done properly, the CD will sound just as good if not better than the Vinyl. Well, except it will be missing all of the hiss, pops and ticks that many here call that ''warmer'', ''richer'' sound.
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Posted: May 17 2010 at 00:07
Vinyl probably sounds better than CD, with a better frequency-response, due to the techniques involved with 'cutting' the album, and the physical nature of the vinyl, itself, (it just sounds 'warmer', to me), but easily gets damaged.....cassette and 8-track were inconvenient as the tracks were usually 'staggered, or left no space for 'artwork'....... CD cases are just WAY too small to skin-up on......I guess they ALL got their drawbacks........I DO miss 'album-art', tho......it's just not 'definitive' enough for me, on anything smaller than a 12" vinyl album. Mp3 seems to be the way to go, these days, but even then, you lose some of the audio spectrum (ok, you cant hear 12Hz bass in isolation, but when its propping up a 100-200Hz signal, you DO notice it when it's gone). I prefer vinyl, personally, but where are you gonna get 'new' vinyl of older albums from, these days????
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Posted: May 11 2010 at 05:29
AbrahamSapien wrote:
I've just got myself a gramophone, and a few vinyls. The feeling is amazing, but I got a horribly scratched vinyl of Nursery Cryme and it just hurts to listen to how it skips a few seconds every second. Any idea about how to get reprints of vinyls? Which magic words do I have to googleor type into the Amason browser to find vinyl reissues?
Try eBay...
I'd avoid the "Blue Charisma" represses, because they're on really thin vinyl, and the sound just isn't there.
Go for a "Pink Charisma" label, if your budget is limited, but ensure the seller advertises it as at least "Excellent" condition.
If you're really interested in an investment copy that will sound amazing, go for a "Pink Scroll" copy - but don't expect to fork out less than £50, especially for "Excellent". "Excellent" should be relatively free of pops and clicks - although an anti-static cleaner should get rid of those - and any "extraneous noise" is inherent in the recording, and part of the ambience.
The Pink Scrolls are first pressings, the vinyl is thick, chunky and great quality listening with an awesome "warm" sound that none of the remasters come close to - I own the remastered box set on SA-CD and DVD-Audio and can testify that the sound is more brittle and somewhat artificial compared to the first press (which I also own).
My opinion, of course - one man's "brittle", "clinical" and "artificial" is another's "digitally enhanced".
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Posted: May 10 2010 at 20:37
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
elder08 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
You've got to be kidding me.
What? i dont get it
I guess he's wondering what that "digital sound" sounds like.
Its probably the lack of pops, hiss, crackling and other extraneous sounds.
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Posted: May 10 2010 at 20:34
elder08 wrote:
I'm only fourteen and enjoy vinyl more than cd's and the only way i can distinguish the vinyl sounding better is while listening to cd's you can here a slight digital sound that does not appear on vinyl
Generally I agree, but far from always and its' not black or white, there are goods and bads with both medias. A well made CD sounds better then a badly made vinyl but a well made vinyl sounds better then a badly made CD.
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Posted: April 26 2010 at 13:27
I've just got myself a gramophone, and a few vinyls. The feeling is amazing, but I got a horribly scratched vinyl of Nursery Cryme and it just hurts to listen to how it skips a few seconds every second. Any idea about how to get reprints of vinyls? Which magic words do I have to googleor type into the Amason browser to find vinyl reissues?
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Posted: April 12 2010 at 07:27
One of my bosses has gone on a vinyl collecting frenzy. He doesn't care about the content so has started asking strangers he runs into if they have any and has met with some success. He said only one guy he's asked said he did have some but that he wasn't parting with them. One of the more amusing acquisitions was a '50's music for bachelors record with really sexist liner notes on the back. I'll see if I can post it sometime.
Edited by Slartibartfast - April 12 2010 at 07:27
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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