The Jedi Order vs. Dumbledore's Army

I'd like to see Yoda & Golem battle in a game of tiddlywinks 

To respond to a few TheCaptian's comments...

Jedi can block most blaster bolts not just because of their own rediculous hand-eye coordination and manual dexterity skills, but because the Force helps either move them to block the bolts or gives the the necessary time to react to shots coming at them.

Also, I would think that The Force is much closer to be infinite in power than magic is. Dumbledore told Harry in one of the books (can't remember which one) that there is no spell that can bring someone back to life. Whereas there are several canonical examples of people returning from the grave (Palpatine for example, although he had several clones constructed for himself as vessels for his soul, so that's kind of cheating) due to the power of the Force. And Vader said in A New Hope that "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force". Not to mention the fact that Anakin Skywalker was conceived no by a human male, but what I suspect is The Force impregnating his mother based on several clues given in Episode I. Which leads me to think that magic has a certain finite limit, whereas the Force is nearly infinite.

Lastly, the Filex Felicis charm is also limited to an extent. It wears off over time, and while it does make you quite lucky, I still don't think that it would boost the wizards' stats high enough to overtake the Jedi's saving throws of any variety. I mean, it might make their Charisma high enough that they get a few lucky hits in on the Jedi, but not much more. Luck only gets you so far anyway.

Ignore Epi. He is too small-minded to understand such a nerdy debate.

Epignosis wrote: All I remember is how in The Prisoner of Azkhban (or whatever it is), Harry & co have a time traveling device, and during their mission panic because if they fail it would mean disaster (or something like that). I'm like, "Why the worry?"  If you fail, you've got a time traveling device.  Say, "Aw f**k it. Let's try again" until you get it right!

It annoyed me in that book that Hermoine was using the time travel device to take extra classes. You're really willing to send yourself to an early grave (relative to the rest of your timeline) just so you can feel more special? There's only so much magic you can learn, you're going to get there eventually.

Epignosis wrote: All I remember is how in The Prisoner of Azkhban (or whatever it is), Harry & co have a time traveling device, and during their mission panic because if they fail it would mean disaster (or something like that). I'm like, "Why the worry?"  If you fail, you've got a time traveling device.  Say, "Aw f**k it. Let's try again" until you get it right!

Well, all Time Turners are destroyed at the end of book 5 which is the same book DA formed. If you use the short time frame when DA could use time turners to help then you'd be looking at a very inexperienced ragtag group of wizards and I'm sure the Jedi Order would have no problem taking them out.


As Vompatti mentioned, the two worlds do not operate on the same level. Would a shield charm reflect The Force? Can a lightsaber deflect a spell? These are questions that need to be answered.

Someone said blaster shots travel slowly but that's nothing compared to the speed of a spell. Harry and co have dodged many spells which leads you to believe there is sufficient time for reaction. While the Jedi deflect blasters like no one's business, this is due to their crazy Jedi reflexes and not necessarily the slowness of the beam. No non-Jedi ever is able to dodge a beam and the fact that we can see them as well as we do is probably due more to artistic license than anything else.

Lastly is the size of both groups. Dumbledore's Army is incredibly small, only a few dozen or so. The Jedi Order (pre-Jedi extermination) is easily a couple hundred.

The Force is a bit nebulous when it comes to what it can and can't do and how it works. It's far easier to guess if something can be done in the HP world of magic than it is in the Star Wars world of The Force.
My conclusion is not an open and shut case one way or the other. There exists a special potion called "Felix Felicis" or liquid luck. ***Spoilers*** In book 7 before the final battle Ginny, Hermione and Ron all take a little bit of Felix Felicis. The book makes it seem as though this played a key factor in saving all of their skins by being lucky enough to just barely be out of harm's way. If the battle between DA and the Jedi Order is relatively short (not much more than a day), then DA would probably win. The relatively short battle while banning the liquid luck would probably result in a Jedi win. A long war would probably result in a DA win because their is a Fidelius Charm. Basically a certain location is made completely invisible and unable to be penetrated unless the Secret-Keeper tells someone. This allows one person Basically DA could make someone their secret keeper, have a whole bunch of wizards apparate to a place with a few Jedi, pick them off then retreat to their base and plan the next guerilla attack.

Bottom line as I've made arguments for both sides.
I think a fair fight between a fully-trained wizard and a fully-trained Jedi would go to the wizard because long-range attacks and the versatility of magic give them the edge. The entire Jedi Order vs Dumbledore's Army anytime during the Harry Potter series (with the exception of the epilogue) would have the Jedi winning out. However the entire point is moot as the two groups are good and would never fight each other.

Even if they have a time travelling device, they can't travel back in time "until they get it right." There's a limit to how many temporal parts of them are going to fit in the same space. If they travelled back many times (every time to a slightly different place) their temporal parts would fill the space at certain moments so that there would be no room for them to move.

I'm not an expert on this, but I'd imagine that the Force is incompatible with the forces that wizards make use of. If it was a fair fight, it would take place in a universe whose nature is unfamiliar to both sides, and in that case the winners would be the ones that could figure out how to control the forces in that universe, and they would probably be the wizards. On the other hand, there's a chance that the Jedis might kill the wizards with lightsabers before they could cast a single spell.

The Jedi.


If you even have to ask....just.....

Henry Plainview wrote: I don't think basilisks count on the wizard side, they're really rare and I don't think you can just summon them like a D&D summon. birdwithteeth11 wrote: (Vader blocked Han's blaster shots with his hand for example) Woah, I don't remember that happening.

It is on episode V: The Empire Strikes Back. After they find out Lando betrays them when he takes Han, Leia, C3PO and R2D2 to Vader, Han shoots at Vader, and he blocks the shots and sucks the blaster out of his hand.

So the wizards have the ability to use dragons/basilisks w/e they have at their disposal? A basilisk could take out tons of jedi before it's brought down, all it has to do is look at them.